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Chersfrozenface · 27/06/2024 17:59

CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:36

How can anyone ruin the economy more than it already is? Johnson took the limping economy into the back garden and shot it with an "oven ready brexit deal"! 😂

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Labour"s stance is no single market, no customs union. It will "seek a much better deal".

It can seek all it likes, but unless there are great advantages for the EU - much the stronger party - there will be no deal. Oh, and one of the EU's red lines is that any deal must come under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

HelenaWaiting · 27/06/2024 17:50

BackToLurk · 27/06/2024 10:35

How do you register a protest vote if you don't agree with any of the candidates' positions? I'm all ears

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You might be all ears, but I did not offer to instruct you how to register a protest vote. I simply pointed out that spoiling your ballot paper does not register a protest vote and anyone advising you that it does is wrong. Statistical information from spoiled ballot papers is not collated; they are simply counted - protest votes, errors, those making a lame joke - as spoiled ballot papers and destroyed. There is no conduit to register a protest vote because there is nothing to protest. You are asked to choose a representative. You are given a number of candidates to choose from. You can either cast your vote for one or abstain. Frankly, you're not a child, you know this. Why you think my stating something that has been the case for some hundred years supplies you with some kind of "gotcha" is beyond me. I gave a piece of truthful information. You chose to be hostile and challenging.

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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:49

BloodyHellKenAgain · 27/06/2024 17:48

Exactly. I like and admire Doc Stock and enjoyed Material Girls, but why would how she intends to vote influence how I vote?

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I'm not saying she should. I liked her articulation of her reasons. Others might too. That's all.

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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:48

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OK this is just anti-Labour scaremongering at this point. I have no desire to engage in your batty conspiracy theories - it's based on misinformation. Elections are too important to go round making shit up.

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime/

No evidence Keir Starmer tried to block the prosecution of Muslim grooming gangs - Full Fact

Widely-shared posts on Facebook make an unsubstantiated claim about Mr Starmer’s work for the Crown Prosecution Service.

https://fullfact.org/online/starmer-muslim-grooming-prosecution-crime

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BloodyHellKenAgain · 27/06/2024 17:48

minsmum · 27/06/2024 10:02

Kathleen Stock can decide what's important for her, as she should and the rest of us can decide what's important for us.
I don't understand this trend that says we all need to follow some well known persons lead. My vote my choice

Exactly. I like and admire Doc Stock and enjoyed Material Girls, but why would how she intends to vote influence how I vote?

Meetingofminds · 27/06/2024 17:39

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 27/06/2024 17:38

Blackcats7 · 27/06/2024 17:26

Well to clarify further this housebound extremely disabled person (me) received £150 as did everyone else in receipt of PIP. Any other payments were about low income.

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Plus £400 energy support.

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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:37

Also I'm not sure halving violence against women and girls is a "vanity project". But maybe thats just me

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IamaRevenant · 27/06/2024 17:37

AuntMunca · 27/06/2024 17:23

As someone who's never voted Conservative, and never thought it possible, I'm seriously considering doing so for the first time. I spoiled my ballot paper in 2019 but this time want to actually vote. I've met my Labour candidate and liked him and he has put in writing to me his support for single-sex spaces for women. However, I just can't bring myself to vote for a party led by Keir Starmer. Given that Labour is going to win anyway, I think it's really important that there's a proper opposition to it. I guess that's what I'll be supporting if I hold my nose and vote Tory. The alternative is the Monster Raving Loony Party.

I did a 'who should I vote for' quiz thing just out of boredom. Apparently it should be Lord Buckethead by quite some margin.

Perhaps I should reconsider my political views. I haven't followed the Monster Raving Loony Party much I'm afraid but I shall go and do some research.

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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:36

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How can anyone ruin the economy more than it already is? Johnson took the limping economy into the back garden and shot it with an "oven ready brexit deal"! 😂

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Is that you Nadine?
Each to her own.

Blackcats7 · 27/06/2024 17:30

Meetingofminds · 27/06/2024 14:39

It is sad when I read posts like this, and to see the disillusionment that is guaranteed to set in if Labour do win. People seem to have fallen for this campaign- even knowing there isn’t the money to change any of those things listed. Labour have even said they don’t intend to increase the budgets for any of those areas listed, so why vote for false hope and lies? And trade in your human rights as a woman in the process. It makes no sense to me, but I guess they have peddled the illusion of a gold pot at the end of rainbow no end, and we all know it isn’t fiscally possible. The anger when people discover they have been hoodwinked is going to be immense.

That’s why reform have set up shop - they know what’s coming. God help us.

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Public services have always fared better under labour. I am fully aware it will take a long time to repair the damage done by 14 years of tories but we have to start somewhere.

Kathleen Stock voting Labour
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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:29

OK. The good thing about politics is over time you get to see if you were right or not!

Oops that was for @duc748

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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:28

AuntMunca · 27/06/2024 17:23

As someone who's never voted Conservative, and never thought it possible, I'm seriously considering doing so for the first time. I spoiled my ballot paper in 2019 but this time want to actually vote. I've met my Labour candidate and liked him and he has put in writing to me his support for single-sex spaces for women. However, I just can't bring myself to vote for a party led by Keir Starmer. Given that Labour is going to win anyway, I think it's really important that there's a proper opposition to it. I guess that's what I'll be supporting if I hold my nose and vote Tory. The alternative is the Monster Raving Loony Party.

What is it about the current Conservative party that makes you think they would be a strong opposition?
Part of their issue is they are saying very little anyone wants to hear. It's like Corbyn in 2019 and I doubt anyone thought he would make a good opposition.
I think lib dems are a better bet for that.

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Blackcats7 · 27/06/2024 17:26

Alltheprettyseahorses · 27/06/2024 17:23

Just to clarify, these housebound, extremely disabled people received thousands of pounds extra over several years to keep them warm, fed and alive during the fuel crisis.

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Well to clarify further this housebound extremely disabled person (me) received £150 as did everyone else in receipt of PIP. Any other payments were about low income.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 27/06/2024 17:23

Blackcats7 · 27/06/2024 13:47

Just to clarify, the tories actually gave disabled people £150 not thousands. Anything extra the individuals you are referring to received was not due to disability but low income.

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Just to clarify, these housebound, extremely disabled people received thousands of pounds extra over several years to keep them warm, fed and alive during the fuel crisis.

AuntMunca · 27/06/2024 17:23

As someone who's never voted Conservative, and never thought it possible, I'm seriously considering doing so for the first time. I spoiled my ballot paper in 2019 but this time want to actually vote. I've met my Labour candidate and liked him and he has put in writing to me his support for single-sex spaces for women. However, I just can't bring myself to vote for a party led by Keir Starmer. Given that Labour is going to win anyway, I think it's really important that there's a proper opposition to it. I guess that's what I'll be supporting if I hold my nose and vote Tory. The alternative is the Monster Raving Loony Party.

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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:20

Chersfrozenface · 27/06/2024 15:22

Liz Truss has been gone 18 months + and the BoE is saying this today.

"About three million households are set to see their mortgage payments rise in the next two years."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crged975jx7o

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It's people who were on fixes that started pre-Truss
You are massively clutching at straws if you think Truss had no effect. Most of us saw what happened to our mortgages. Mine is almost double what it was - I came off a fix 2 months after her fuck up out of nowhere

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duc748 · 27/06/2024 17:18

Well I live in the Red Wall, so i think my perspective is fine.

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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:16

duc748 · 27/06/2024 15:37

I can only see a brief Labour interregnum. Public expectations are high, the economy is screwed, the tax burden (much as I hate that phrase) the highest on record. But billions need to be spent, on the NHS, water supply, much else. The public will soon turn on hapless Labour, and the Tories will be in for another decade. 😟

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I don't agree. A lot of people in the red wall by nature deeply loathe the Tories and "lent" their votes in 2019. The Tories have rewarded them by diverting levelling up funds to rich southern constituencies, fucking up brexit and otherwise fucking them over. I doubt those "lent" voters will ever go back, especially if Reform are providing the more right wing of them an attractive option.

I think a lot of other people feel properly burnt by austerity then Brexit and will struggle to forgive the Tories for that either. I know I'm unlikely to vote for them ever again.

They've bought this on themselves and people would be very foolish to expect any of this damage to be fixed quickly. I think Labour will do 2 terms easily. And given global warming who knows where we will be in 10 years time.

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CassieMaddox · 27/06/2024 17:12

Chersfrozenface · 27/06/2024 16:09

It's a warning, not encouragement.

As I have said over and over again, the left needs to get its shit together.

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I think the current polls show "the Left" (by which I assume you mean Labour) have their shit together currently vastly more than "the Right".

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