Child excluded for using a ‘dead name’.

There is no way that a teacher, primary or not, doesn't realise the difference between exclusion and internal exclusion/suspension/isolation

Actually I didn't know the term internal exclusion as I'm in SEND and we do not use that language to describe how we manage extremely unsettled behaviour. nor do we practice (what I believe is) "internal exclusion."

Children in our setting get names and pronouns wrong all the time too.

I'm a teacher too. I know colleagues who understand the ins and outs and others who really don't. Luckily slt are sensible.

Worth reading this article about a school that referred a gay boy to prevent for protesting about being called queer and there are "two genders," and he's "against trans," after being bullied. Also bullied for being Jewish with kids making comments about school showers being like the gas chambers. When he stated that he'd like to see Hamas gone, prevent came knocking.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13581155/Boy-12-referred-counter-extremist-Prevent-officers-school-declaring-two-genders-Im-gay-not-queer.html

Some schools really do not understand any of this. It should never have been sent to prevent. They did at least say a report should be made to the police about an assault he received at school.

But they are already. Men are permitted to change in woman’s changing areas in the NHS in Scotland. It’s happening.

If it reassures parents: boys will never be allowed to use girls loos.
In such instances they are allocated separate provision eg the disabled one, or the one adjacent to the medical room.
Let's dispell that rumour!

I get that. I'm just not sure why it would matter, if the school their children were at had teachers who were holding the line.

A jaundiced view can be dispelled just by not adhering to the ideology.

But, like in every other place, I bet that's a lot harder than it sounds.

But yes, the press does give the impression that it's rife. No doubt.

And I'm sure there's a difference between a non binary girl peer group messing about with hair dye and a policy which lets the boys use the girls loos.

Thank you, @Datun , and we do, but bandying terms about and accusing teachers is unhelpful and can cause anxiety for some parents.
I understand that if someone hasn't been in school for many years, and gets information from threads like this and the Daily Mail, they may get a jaundiced view.

I don't think it's personal, Suzie.

It's not a testament to all teachers.

But there's no doubt, that some teachers are captured. The same way some NHS professionals are captured. They must also have procedures in place.

There are laws about men exposing themselves in front of women, yet NHS nurses are suing the NHS for agreeing to exactly that.

I'm bloody glad there are teachers who hold the line. And I'm sure most of them do.

We are not "captured". Whatever that may mean. There are procedures and processes which have to be followed and justified.
Believe it or not, most teachers are fair, use due process with rigour and seek proper outcomes for our students.

Many of you lot consider me 'captured'. There is no way this happened as laid out in the OP. To be an internal exclusion it would have to be bullying and so there would have to be 'intent' behind it. This goes for a range of situations which are all treated equally in my experience.
I also cannot believe any school wouldn't deal with the antisemitism outlined above if there was evidence of what happened. That's awful. Obviously.
Most schools go for discussing/educating to start with.
Intent matters. Internal exclusion is very different from just saying exclusion which most non-teachers would assume to mean expelled.

Well this didn't happen did it. Trying to stir up a bit of hate are you? Maybe a bit bored? Whatever your motive this post is definitely shady and I'm surprised it hasn't been removed.

I have no faith in the process at the moment knowing how insidious this shit is and how captured some teachers are.

Stop the world I want to get off. Fucking lunacy

And almost certainly didn't happen in the way claimed. People don't understand the paperwork involved.

Indeed. Neither side should be changing the meaning of the words "hate crime".

But excluding a child on the basis that they have committed a completely imaginary "hate crime" must be in some way actionable.

So you think there is something more to this as well?

This would not have been a one off event resulting in this punishment.

No it's not. There is a legal definition of "hate crime" to which schools must adhere.

Punishing the child is a hate crime.

In any other context I'd agree there is probably more to it. But given what I know about the Aunt Lydia types who enforce the rules of gender ideology these days, in this context I think it's entirely possible that the child is being punished for a simple slip of the tongue, yes.

It's also relevant that "Jane" is only asking to go by a non ridiculous name, not asking children who have known her since primary school to pretend that she isn't a girl.

That. This is all very suspect.

I genuinely think teachers have got a really difficult job.

Especially in this day and age. Teaching seems to be the last thing they get to do.

I'm not sure about hearing more from the OP, but I imagine the story in the paper might develop further.

let's hope it's not as bad as it sounds.

@Datun in my experience, teachers are too busy at work to be driven by much besides results and targets, although I have met a few with a certain agenda. They're usually not particularly powerful or influential, but it may vary school to school.
I would say more harm comes from students who are being manipulated by adults in a religious or social way, which is harmful.
The recent antisemitism case was the worst I've seen. It was honestly like something devised by Goebbels.

I agree, I would normally expect that to be dealt with. But, we know, that certain teachers are wholly captured by ideology.

It doesn't just have to be about gender.

Depends on the intent, clearly.

If your parents had named you Tallulah-Belle-Leigh and at 14 you decided to go by Jane as you were fed up with your ridiculous name, it would of course be bullying if someone continued to use your old name specifically because they knew you didn't like it.

A slip of the tongue would clearly not be bullying.

So it's not likely this was an accidental slip of the tongue (if real), is it.

@Datun I have had a senior pastoral role in a non selective state school for some years now, and liaise with others in the Trust and outside agencies. It would be inconceivable that any student performing a Nazi salute would not have the most serious consequences. We have had a few instances of antisemitism, which has resulted in fixed term exclusions and learning and behaviour contracts. Also referral to Prevent, in one instance.
Much of this story doesn't make sense. In any way.