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Thefinalbit · 27/06/2024 14:09

PurplePim · 26/06/2024 09:56

What a disgusting premeditated crime. Shame on everyone involved in getting him into the Olympics. Why aren't there procedures in place to make sure this was career ending? Not least the massive social-shame that should make people disassociate from him.

This Brock-Turner-esque privilege for sexual assault and rape related crime needs to end. Whether it's sports, music, or whatever, these vile men are somehow still lauded, and the messages it sends to both men and women is clear.

It should be career ending. This is a sport played by many children. How are they supposed to look towards the senior team when there is a person who committed this crime. What about safe guarding women and girls who have to use the same facilities .

oakleaffy · 27/06/2024 14:05

Some shocking paedophile apologists on this thread.

oakleaffy · 27/06/2024 14:04

Disgraceful sentence.

Sobeautiful · 27/06/2024 13:57

ageratum1 · 27/06/2024 13:26

An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character

In terms of a person's character there's quite a difference between an athlete sleeping around behind their partners back, drink driving or getting involved in a fight and being a convicted paedophile. Or is it more important to bring medals home even if it's by a child rapist. Whether he likes it or not English law classes him as a paedophile.

Sobeautiful · 27/06/2024 13:48

ageratum1 · 26/06/2024 09:46

Because he has served his sentence.

If he was British he would also have been placed on the sex offenders register. With a sentence of 4 years he'd also be on it indefinitely.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/06/2024 13:46

Sorry, I was trying to answer:

ageratum1 · Today 13:26
“An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character”

IamaRevenant · 27/06/2024 13:45

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 11:03

There are some deeply racist attitudes in some parts of northern Europe e.g. Denmark.

When I was living in NL (little village outside Leiden) a lovely Ethiopian family moved in next door.

The same day there was a street party with girls in full on black up makeup singing 'I wish I was a white girl, so I could get a white boy too!'. I felt so sad for them, their kids looked distraught 😔

Don't even get me started on Schwartz Pete.

Sorry, irrelevant tangent!

ScrollingLeaves · 27/06/2024 13:44

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 13:28

What about safeguarding?

That’s one view.

Athletes are supposed to represent their country. A bit of research about Holland shows this man does that well.

Holland’s choice if that is what they really want to look like.

But do the Olympic organisers really want rape of a child taint?

Not many places would say X was chosen for their ability to do Y, not whether they are rapists or not, we don’t care.

Or,

This man is an excellent footballer . The rape of a minor he committed is in the past, he served a little bit of time, he is sorry.
We have chosen him for his football skills, not for his morals.

ArcaneWireless · 27/06/2024 13:44

He may be one of the better athlete’s they have to pick from but they have a duty of care not to let someone of his character anywhere near young athletes.

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 13:28

ageratum1 · 27/06/2024 13:26

An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character

What about safeguarding?

ageratum1 · 27/06/2024 13:26

An Olympic team is selected on the basis of who is the best athlete, not on who has the best character

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 11:15

Thelnebriati · 27/06/2024 11:12

On the Petitions board now;
Petition to Exclude known sex offenders from participating in the Olympic games.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/5106446-petition-to-exclude-known-sex-offenders-from-participating-in-the-olympic-games

Signed

YouJustDoYou · 27/06/2024 11:14

This piece of shit was in such a hurry, at 19, to rape this child whom he KNEW was only 12 he didn't even have time to bring money or book a hotel when he dashed over on a flight. HE KNEW SHE WAS 12. There is NO fucking excuse.

Thelnebriati · 27/06/2024 11:12

On the Petitions board now;
Petition to Exclude known sex offenders from participating in the Olympic games.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/5106446-petition-to-exclude-known-sex-offenders-from-participating-in-the-olympic-games

FrancescaContini · 27/06/2024 11:08

Treaclewell · 27/06/2024 10:31

I suppose the judge using "taken her virginity" thought that that emphasised her inexperience which made it worse, her first experience os sex was rape.It's old fashioned but not necessarily sexist. Contrast with the way Rotherham girls were spoken of,

Just to be clear: the article doesn’t quote the judge as using these words - it could be the writer of the article who chose to use this phrase.

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 11:03

biscuitandcake · 27/06/2024 10:50

Its very odd. There is lots of free support for children, out of school activities etc, emphasis on road safety for the sake of children. I think most children probably lead happier, healthier lives than in the UK. It usually comes quite high on best place to be a child surveys. But on the other hand a much more relaxed attitude towards child sex abuse. I guess if you are child in the Netherlands that isn't raped then life is good. There was also a long period of time when (poor, brown, muslim) children, some toddlers, in deprived neighbourhoods were being caught in the crossfire of Moroccan drug gangs and killed. The general reaction was a big shrug. Then there were some high profile cases where for example a (white, middle class, male) lawyer was shot dead and other examples of Mocro mafia crime spilling out to affect middle class Dutch people (the human beings that matter). Then it was all panic, we must do something, how terrible etc etc.

In some ways its a lot like a real life Omelas (The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas - Wikipedia)

There are some deeply racist attitudes in some parts of northern Europe e.g. Denmark.

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 11:02

biscuitandcake · 27/06/2024 10:57

Is taking her virginity also a reference to forensics. As in, while virginity tests are bunkum, when small children are suspected victims of sexual abuse doctors do physically check to see if they have been penetrated (I felt awful writing that). Its part of the evidence, along with the fact he knew she was 12 (which the judge also said). But anyway, an absolutely horrible thing for a child SA victim to go through and to be honest, for just a year prison sentence, I don't even think it would be worth it.

Was it more nefarious? He took her virginity meaning she hadn't previously had sex and therefore hadn't seduced him.

Not untypical. I remember a case where a 9 year old sex abuse victim was said to be 'no angel' by a judge.

Grammarnut · 27/06/2024 11:01

IamaRevenant · 27/06/2024 00:29

Yeah... the whole red light district thing is seen as progressive by many but when you wander round there some of the girls in the windows are clearly underage and probably trafficked. There's a couple of streets where it's all Eastern European or African girls and many are so obviously too young. I found it grim honestly

There is nothing progressive about a red light district. Presumably, it is seen as 'safe' prostitution. The idea that it's progressive seems to go with the belief that a 'vibrant' place has beggars and prostitutes roaming around. Misogynistic and exploitative in one - soooo romantic! Yuck.

Kendodd · 27/06/2024 11:00

Can someone please post some social media links to the Dutch Olympic team. I suggest we all repeatedly post that they have a convicted child rapist on their team. This is something to shout about.

biscuitandcake · 27/06/2024 10:57

Is taking her virginity also a reference to forensics. As in, while virginity tests are bunkum, when small children are suspected victims of sexual abuse doctors do physically check to see if they have been penetrated (I felt awful writing that). Its part of the evidence, along with the fact he knew she was 12 (which the judge also said). But anyway, an absolutely horrible thing for a child SA victim to go through and to be honest, for just a year prison sentence, I don't even think it would be worth it.

biscuitandcake · 27/06/2024 10:50

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 09:26

I also read that child abuse in magazines is legal in the Netherlands due to a loophole in the law.

The place sounds like a cesspit.

Its very odd. There is lots of free support for children, out of school activities etc, emphasis on road safety for the sake of children. I think most children probably lead happier, healthier lives than in the UK. It usually comes quite high on best place to be a child surveys. But on the other hand a much more relaxed attitude towards child sex abuse. I guess if you are child in the Netherlands that isn't raped then life is good. There was also a long period of time when (poor, brown, muslim) children, some toddlers, in deprived neighbourhoods were being caught in the crossfire of Moroccan drug gangs and killed. The general reaction was a big shrug. Then there were some high profile cases where for example a (white, middle class, male) lawyer was shot dead and other examples of Mocro mafia crime spilling out to affect middle class Dutch people (the human beings that matter). Then it was all panic, we must do something, how terrible etc etc.

In some ways its a lot like a real life Omelas (The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas - Wikipedia)

misscockerspaniel · 27/06/2024 10:47

biscuitandcake · 27/06/2024 07:56

I wonder if it's also worth emailing the UK Olympic committee about this? There must be some sort of formal/informal objection they can raise?

I suspect that the response of the IOC would be to issue guidelines to broadcasters, instructing them not to discuss the matter.

biscuitandcake · 27/06/2024 10:43

Reference to "The British Mentality". That makes me so fucking proud to be British. In fairness, the guy saying "its not the worst crime" was saying that in response to a female named poster saying it was the worst crime.

Treaclewell · 27/06/2024 10:31

I suppose the judge using "taken her virginity" thought that that emphasised her inexperience which made it worse, her first experience os sex was rape.It's old fashioned but not necessarily sexist. Contrast with the way Rotherham girls were spoken of,

cupcaske123 · 27/06/2024 10:23

Kuol · 27/06/2024 10:14

A handful of some of the supportive comments I read last night (Google page translated). They should probably have their internet history checked, I will never understand people who choose to die on the hill of paedo rapist defending.

In the name of god! People are making excuses for his behaviour, saying that in some countries it's ok to marry a 12 year old.