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FrancescaContini · 31/07/2024 21:47

Dear God. I hope she doesn’t have a daughter. The extent to which Emma doesn’t understand the issue here is quite staggering.

ScrollingLeaves · 31/07/2024 19:44

Milton Keynes Citizen
March 2016
Excerpt,

Sentencing him, Judge Francis Sheridan said: “You were a hugely talented athlete who enjoyed the adulation of the crowd but you also have a dark side and it is that that brought you to court.

^“Prior to coming to this country you were training as a potential Olympian. Your hopes of representing your country now lie as a shattered dream.*

“Your actions in those two days in England have wrecked your life and you could, had you never come to England and committed these offences, have been a leader in your sport.

www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/would-be-olympian-jailed-after-flying-400-miles-to-rape-a-12-year-old-girl-in-milton-keynes-1256450

How wrong the judge turned out to be.

And to think that he also only served one year of four year sentence.

cupcaske123 · 31/07/2024 18:09

'I know 12-year-olds who are sassy and act like they're 16-year-old girls.'

She then added: 'It [the rape] actually sounds like an inappropriate, very inappropriate, romance thing.'

She also claimed the Olympian had 'turned his life around' since the conviction and believed calling him a child rapist was 'a bit strong' and not language she would use to describe him.

Ms Woolf added: 'If I was judged for everything I did between the age of 12 and 19, I'd probably be in prison or something serious.'

What on earth is wrong with that woman?

WickedSerious · 31/07/2024 18:04

I don't want any of whatever it is she's smoking.

angstybaby · 30/07/2024 12:16

BucketBouquet · 26/06/2024 10:47

I bet he bloody doesn’t! Pity he never thought about that before sleeping with a 12 year-old!

he didn't sleep with her. he raped her. more than once

angstybaby · 30/07/2024 12:14

ageratum1 · 26/06/2024 09:46

Because he has served his sentence.

but we accept that, for certain crimes, serving a sentence is not enough to protect the public. that's why we have the sex offenders register. the principle of having 'served your sentence' is not absolute. also, sex offences are strongly recidivist crimes so it's highly likely he'll do it again, if he hasn't already. Again, another reason why we have a register of sex offenders

FrancescaContini · 29/07/2024 13:54

Beowulfa · 29/07/2024 10:15

Front page of today's Metro.

If the IOC are ok with a convicted child rapist competing, they should be answering questions in the media tent like every other athlete.

Quite

Beowulfa · 29/07/2024 10:15

Front page of today's Metro.

If the IOC are ok with a convicted child rapist competing, they should be answering questions in the media tent like every other athlete.

Omlettes · 28/07/2024 18:50

Further to men in sports who shouldnt be there, another thread has started
'TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
As usual we have Reduxx to thank for the reporting.
My view is we should flood IOC with complaints.
Both are an utter disregard for womens comfort dignity or safety.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 16:31

Fruityful · 28/07/2024 16:19

According to the Mail he was sentenced in the UK and served all but the final month in the UK before being sent back to Holland for the remainder. So the Dutch shouldn't be picking this guy to represent them but how in the Hell did we only give him one year for this? He actually went through with it, did he? He actually had full intercourse with the child?

This is what The Times said ( my bolding):

”..the victim of a then 19-year-old Van de Velde was a 12-year-old girl from Milton Keynes. After admitting to rape, in full knowledge of her age, Van de Velde was sentenced in 2016 to four years in prison. He served 12 months in a British jail before being transferred to the Netherlands, where he was released after a further month.“

He was not released to the Netherlands to go free. He was supposed to carry out his sentence in prison there.

It was the Dutch who let the British girl, and our justice system down.

Other posters have pointed out an additional very important point which was, that in the sentencing, the Judge took it as a forgone conclusion that this conviction would mean the end of his career, and so an important part of his punishment.

That he served one year instead of four, and carried on volley ball as normal to end up in the Olympics is a travesty.!

Chersfrozenface · 28/07/2024 16:27

He was sentenced to four years in the UK. But as a PP has noted, he had flown back to the Netherlands. He refused to come to the UK to face justice and had to be extradited. Part of the extradition terms were that he would be sent back to the Netherlands to complete his sentence if found guilty. After one year in prison he was indeed sent back to NL per the agreement. At which point the Dutch authorities just released him.

Fruityful · 28/07/2024 16:19

According to the Mail he was sentenced in the UK and served all but the final month in the UK before being sent back to Holland for the remainder. So the Dutch shouldn't be picking this guy to represent them but how in the Hell did we only give him one year for this? He actually went through with it, did he? He actually had full intercourse with the child?

ScrollingLeaves · 28/07/2024 16:09

I am pleased there has been more fuss than the Dutch presumed there would be, for the little girl he groomed and flew out to rape, and girls everywhere, who, in some people’s minds, count for less than some raping jock’s sporting prowess and potential medal.

“ Volley Ball/ Van de Velde/Paris Olympics 2024” will always show that he committed this crime now I think.

Someone else who is an excellent player could have taken his place. He was not worthy of the Olympics.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/07/2024 15:42

Also covered in the Times

www.thetimes.com/sport/olympics/article/were-protecting-child-rapist-say-dutch-in-defence-of-steven-van-de-velde-cllq79xfn

https://archive.ph/YrIxU skip the paywall like the Dutch skip common decency

Don't let a small thing like child rape spoil the party atmosphere. FFS it's not like she was a horse!

I wonder if he'll go into coaching after all this? Volleyball, grooming...both!

WickedSerious · 28/07/2024 15:38

His teammate was 'taken by surprise at the reaction?

Well cover me in ice cream and bite my bum.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/07/2024 15:16

Gosh the IOC and the DOC are really bending the rules for this child rapist who served only a quarter of his sentence

www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/07/28/dutch-protect-convicted-rapist-steven-van-de-velde-paris/

https://archive.ph/OmY9Q jump the paywall, you might make the team 😃

While all athletes are required under International Olympic Committee rules to make themselves available to the media after competing, Van Vliet acknowledged that a special dispensation had been made for Van de Velde.

Wouldn't do to be untoward to a paedophile. I wonder if any of these bros would leave their young daughters with this guy? Horrifying thing is, I suspect some of them would.

anyolddinosaur · 28/07/2024 14:19

Good. I hope he is booed whenever he shows his face,

misscockerspaniel · 28/07/2024 12:01

"... we spoke to fans from Germany, the UK and Ireland who felt very strongly that he shouldn't be here....It was interesting that every Dutch fan I spoke to was either unwilling to talk about the subject or was supportive of Van der Velde."

Steven van de Velde: Convicted child rapist booed on Olympic debut in beach volleyball - BBC Sport

Steven van de Velde at the Paris Olympics

Steven van de Velde: Convicted child rapist booed on Olympic debut in beach volleyball

Convicted child rapist Steven van de Velde is booed as he makes his Olympic beach volleyball debut to a mixed reaction in Paris.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cpd9e0r2dxmo

MugPlate · 28/07/2024 10:17

Good. This is not a role model.

WickedSerious · 25/07/2024 20:07

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2024 14:25

I have the impression she is rather ignorant about what the rapist did.

”As I understand it he served his jail time.”

No he didn’t.

“It’s a long time to go on paying for that mistake for the rest of your life.”

He would only be paying the price of not getting the glory of being in the Olympics, meanwhile his life continues free and clear.

He was not actually punished fairly once.

The girl will have her sentence for life.

I wouldn't give a fuck if he went on paying for it for the rest of his life.

kiterunning · 25/07/2024 17:06

When I saw that she'd apologised I guessed immediately what had happened.
Radcliffe is no friend of women as shown by her support for DSD males.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/07/2024 16:38

It just baffles me how anyone can think this was remotely OK.

He was an adult, she was a child (not even a teen ffs).

He'd been grooming her since she was 10.

It was so premeditated- he had to plan to get on a plane to come and rape her.

He didn't serve his sentence.

This all just sends signals to other awful men that this kind of thing is OK.

murasaki · 25/07/2024 15:07

lcakethereforeIam · 25/07/2024 14:59

I always thought of Olympic athletes as ambassadors for their countries. He's not showing the Netherlands in a good light. Quite the opposite, unless they want the rest of the world to see the Dutch as perverted, grooming child abusers.

As you say, he's very much an ambassador for what they think about women and girls. Their head seems surprised that there is outrage about this. Which says a lot about him too.