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ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 14:45

I also included a reference to the 2017 report they did on abuse in sport, thanks to the pp for sharing.

biscuitandcake · 26/06/2024 14:43

RiverF · 26/06/2024 14:12

I've sent one too. In their shoes I probably wouldn't be very interested in views from outside the country, but it will at least cause them some work and maybe encourage some thought.

I focused on the pre meditated rape of a child and the fact that athletes are committed to being role models.

I emailed them, and did it in Dutch and explained that I had lived here for many many years and my children were born and grew up here. Also pointed out that their website had multiple pictures of children playing sport and they really emphasized their role in encouraging children to participate in sport and the hypocrisy there.

Also, they SHOULD be interested in views from outside the country since they are really not looking their country look good here and this is the whole point of participating in the Olympics.

ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 14:24

Lovelyview · 26/06/2024 14:02

OK, so I emailed the Dutch Olympic Committee on [email protected]

I am writing to express my outrage that Steven van de Velde has qualified for the NL Olympic Volleyball team. This man travelled to the UK to rape a 12-year-old girl in 2016. He is not worthy of being an Olympian and brings the whole Netherlands team into disrepute. A rapist should not represent his country. A paedophile should not represent his country. I urge you to remove this man from the team.

Thanks, and thanks for the email address. I'll do the same.

biscuitandcake · 26/06/2024 14:16

@Grammarnut its one thing to talk about rehabilitation in general - should people find work after being in prison (even after terrible crimes). But people chosen for the Olympics are specifically chosen to represent their country. When (e.g.) Mo Farah was winning marathon's he was representing the UK, wearing the UK flag and being cheered on by the UK. Its not just a "job" its a massive privilege and an honour. If the Dutch Olympic team employed a child rapist to do the admin that's one thing. They choose a child rapist to represent their country in the international stage because that's who they want to represent the Dutch people. A man who got a 12 year old drunk and then repeatedly raped her.
Besides which, his team didn't even wait until his "time" (the initial pathetic 4 year sentence) had elapsed. He was back with them almost as soon as he was out of prison on remand parole (edited)

And - the IOC considers its athletes "role models" and part of signing up to the Olympics is agreeing to that.

And - he isn't even sorry for what he did. He thinks he was unfairly vilified (and the actions of the Dutch will be reinforcing that view)

Sorry for ranting. This has made me really angry.

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 14:14

I focused on the pre meditated rape of a child and the fact that athletes are committed to being role models.

The whole thing is repulsive. He met her on Facebook, flew to the UK, plied her with booze, then assaulted her.

RiverF · 26/06/2024 14:12

I've sent one too. In their shoes I probably wouldn't be very interested in views from outside the country, but it will at least cause them some work and maybe encourage some thought.

I focused on the pre meditated rape of a child and the fact that athletes are committed to being role models.

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 14:03

Lovelyview · 26/06/2024 14:02

OK, so I emailed the Dutch Olympic Committee on [email protected]

I am writing to express my outrage that Steven van de Velde has qualified for the NL Olympic Volleyball team. This man travelled to the UK to rape a 12-year-old girl in 2016. He is not worthy of being an Olympian and brings the whole Netherlands team into disrepute. A rapist should not represent his country. A paedophile should not represent his country. I urge you to remove this man from the team.

Well done. Sounds good.

Grammarnut · 26/06/2024 14:03

PurplePim · 26/06/2024 09:56

What a disgusting premeditated crime. Shame on everyone involved in getting him into the Olympics. Why aren't there procedures in place to make sure this was career ending? Not least the massive social-shame that should make people disassociate from him.

This Brock-Turner-esque privilege for sexual assault and rape related crime needs to end. Whether it's sports, music, or whatever, these vile men are somehow still lauded, and the messages it sends to both men and women is clear.

There is always a problem with criminal convictions. He raped a 12 year old girl. You would expect a long prison sentence and sex offenders list. But should his crime end his career? If you make it that a criminal (whatever their crime) cannot rehabilitate you make it impossible for them to cease criminal activity. Since this is a conviction for rape of a minor (paedophilia) he ought not to have gained parole so early. His career should have no impact on the sentence, either. Perhaps there is a case for concealing career details/uni prospects etc from judges so that they sentence for the crime not for the person. (This is why I don't like victim statements - how victim feels/doesn't feel should have no influence on the sentence which should be for the crime itself - many will remember the Ealing Vicarage rape where the judge said the victim was not particularly traumatised and reduced the sentences of the perpetrators). Whole thing is complicated. Appalled Olympic committee is letting him enter.

Lovelyview · 26/06/2024 14:02

OK, so I emailed the Dutch Olympic Committee on [email protected]

I am writing to express my outrage that Steven van de Velde has qualified for the NL Olympic Volleyball team. This man travelled to the UK to rape a 12-year-old girl in 2016. He is not worthy of being an Olympian and brings the whole Netherlands team into disrepute. A rapist should not represent his country. A paedophile should not represent his country. I urge you to remove this man from the team.

RiverF · 26/06/2024 14:00

Is this case getting much attention in Holland?

It seems like their Olympic Committee haven't confirmed the selection yet. If there's enough public outrage/poor publicity....

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 26/06/2024 13:58

Fucking gross.

biscuitandcake · 26/06/2024 13:57

RiverF · 26/06/2024 13:51

What would the mechanism for such a short sentence and then releasing him so early have been?

I know people do get released early, but after only 1/4 of their sentence is unusual? It was the British courts that did that 😪

I don't think it was. He was sentenced in the UK but allowed to serve the latter part of his sentence in the Netherlands where he was eligible for release under their own rules.
So the UK fucked up by giving him such a pitiful 4 year sentence. The Dutch fucked up more by deciding to release the poor injured lamb so soon. And his team mates fucked up by immediately welcoming back with open arms as soon as he was released (before the 4 years was even up!) and the Dutch Olympic committe fucked up by deciding "yes, this is who we want to represent out country. A man who rapes 12 year olds."

So enough blame to go round I think.

TinkerTiger · 26/06/2024 13:53

Thirdsummerofourdiscontent · 26/06/2024 10:19

No one convicted of rape especially of a child should be allowed to be a professional athlete of any sport. Ever.

How is he even allowed into other countries?? Chris Brown was barred from entering the UK after being convicted of assaulting Rihanna for TEN YEARS!

biscuitandcake · 26/06/2024 13:52

English wikipedia and NL wikipedia are interesting.

The English overview: Steven van de Velde (born 8 August 1994, in The Hague) is a Dutch beach volleyball player and convicted rapist. Van de Velde won the Dutch national championships Under-20 in 2011. With partner Michiel van Dorsten he represented the Netherlands at the 2015 European Games. Together with partner Dirk Boehlé, he finished 3rd at the Blooming Beach Aalsmeer of the 201 blah blah blah. The first main chapter is on his crime

The Dutch overview: Steven van de Velde (Den Haag, 8 augustus 1994) is een Nederlands beachvolleybalspeler. Hij werd vijfmaal nationaal kampioen. His crime is only mentioned much much later, and then its only 2 sentences (one for the crime, one for the sentence) and the description underplays what he did

And then, because I am a loser with time on my hands, I looked at the edit history and there are edits made by people "to make his criminal past more visible..." followed swiftly by another editor reverting to the original. Curious.

RiverF · 26/06/2024 13:51

What would the mechanism for such a short sentence and then releasing him so early have been?

I know people do get released early, but after only 1/4 of their sentence is unusual? It was the British courts that did that 😪

Staringatthewalljustmeagain · 26/06/2024 13:48

ageratum1 · 26/06/2024 09:46

Because he has served his sentence.

🤯

His pitiful sentence.

3peassuit · 26/06/2024 13:42

Representing your country is an honour for athletes. I would not like my country to be represented by a convicted child rapist. If I were Dutch I would be outraged and as an onlooker I’m horrified.

Lovelyview · 26/06/2024 13:41

I'm not usually the most dynamic feminist but I am going to write to the Dutch team saying how shocking this decision is. I hope others will do the same. I need to do something with my rage and I think sending the message, even if it's disregarded is important.

Easytospot · 26/06/2024 13:40

It’s like Roman Polanski. What does a raped girl here or there matter when it’s an ‘exceptional man’ . ?
Do you not remember the celebrities who rushed to Polanski’s side and still worked with him.

Utterly contemptible.

MugPlate · 26/06/2024 13:37

What are the rules on booing at Olympic events?

ScrollingLeaves · 26/06/2024 13:34

IamaRevenant · 26/06/2024 13:18

I don't really want to wade in on the Dutch people seen as liberal debate (and I have many Dutch friends after living there for five years) but that's far from universal. I've been spat on, raped, beaten up and a brick put through my window ever single Queen's/ King's day. It's not this liberal haven people assume because of the drug laws etc. (Sorry to any lovely Dutch people on here, but my experience wasn't great!)

I am very sorry this happened to you. That is awful. 💐

To me that is not about being liberal or not liberal though. Just horrible.

biscuitandcake · 26/06/2024 13:26

@IamaRevenant Are you black/not white by the way? There is a lot of defensive "Oh no, we can't possibly be racist, racism is a bad thing that happens in countries like America. So terribly sad what happens there" even when something very obviously racist has happened. I think the ideal of being liberal and tolerant gets confused for reality (except child rapists who apparently we are very tolerant of. Yay.)

biscuitandcake · 26/06/2024 13:22

IamaRevenant · 26/06/2024 13:18

I don't really want to wade in on the Dutch people seen as liberal debate (and I have many Dutch friends after living there for five years) but that's far from universal. I've been spat on, raped, beaten up and a brick put through my window ever single Queen's/ King's day. It's not this liberal haven people assume because of the drug laws etc. (Sorry to any lovely Dutch people on here, but my experience wasn't great!)

I like the Dutch but there is a lot of hypocrisy (I am sure there is in lots of other countries too). Its easy to miss a lot of the nuance/negatives etc when you are visiting and don't speak the language compared to living there and seeing the bad sides. That said, most of the people I know would not be supportive of a child rapist. This story has not really been that widely reported that I noticed. I shall however be bringing it up.