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Jolyon Maugham has gone full on crank

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pancakestastelikecrepe · 25/06/2024 23:12

The replies confirming that on this issue, he's firmly in an echo chamber - 'here's the tweet' surely illustrative of fact he's lost it...

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ColinRobinsonsFart · 30/06/2024 20:34

The old fox killer needs to stop sliding in to Shon Faye's DMs....🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/06/2024 20:34

This might be a useful starting place for anyone interested in Ryan's journalism:

https://www.nysun.com/author/benjamin-ryan

And Leor Sapir is another American journalist who also produces both lots of detailed Twitter threads and lots of pieces on the subject of paediatric gender treatment:

https://www.city-journal.org/person/leor-sapir

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/06/2024 20:16

duc748 · 30/06/2024 19:00

Who's Ben Ryan?

He's a science and health journalist for the New York Sun. He does amazingly long and detailed threads on Twitter about lots of different issues but he's very much interested in investigating the use of puberty blockers etc.

duc748 · 30/06/2024 19:54

OK, ta.

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2024 19:32

Benjamin Ryan, who did the tweet thread ☝️debunking JoMo's hyperbole about suicide.

duc748 · 30/06/2024 19:00

Who's Ben Ryan?

Redshoeblueshoe · 30/06/2024 18:32

It is the DrBeNice, the account that was continually attacking James Dreyfus that has been suspended

SmudgeHughes · 30/06/2024 18:24

SmudgeHughes · 29/06/2024 21:17

Tufton Street is where mysterious organisations set up right wing ‘think tanks’ that are actually front organisations and lobby groups. It’s a sort of shorthand for ‘shadowy’ and right-wing.

And I don’t mean to suggest that the excellent LGB Alliance is shadowy or right-wing. On the contrary. Thank god for it, and its excellent work.

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2024 17:54

Both Foxphobe and Ben Ryan's X accounts seem to be up. Although I'm not on TwiX and have to make to with the crumbs it let's me have. Like this little gem 😁

Jolyon Maugham has gone full on crank
BreadInCaptivity · 30/06/2024 17:07

StealthSpinach · 30/06/2024 16:59

I wish they would proceed with legal action regarding the defamation. The TRAs in general, and JM in particular, should face the consequences of their word usage.

The problem is if they took action against every malicious tweet they'd do little else.

In the case of JM I'd suggest he's deliberately goading them to this because it's a win/win for him.

He gets to crowdfund a new case against him and pay himself £££ for his legal expertise whilst simultaneously getting LGBA to spend £££ on a case rather than campaigning and raising awareness.

JM is a self absorbed tool but he is not entirely stupid.

Given he's largely tweeting into his own echo chamber I'd question how much "damage" he is doing to LGBA anyway - personally I think they are better off ignoring him (how he hates being irrelevant....) and using their money to raise awareness with people whose brains are still capable of critical thought.

StealthSpinach · 30/06/2024 16:59

I wish they would proceed with legal action regarding the defamation. The TRAs in general, and JM in particular, should face the consequences of their word usage.

Clabony · 30/06/2024 16:58

I'm not on X so have presumably got various knobheads confused. There are a lot of them about.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 30/06/2024 16:42

Redshoeblueshoe · 27/06/2024 23:23

That account has now been suspended

For people not on TwiX, which account has been suspended? Ryan, the US academic, Maugham?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 30/06/2024 16:19

Yes, he seems to be too stupid (or blinded by his agenda) to be able to read and understand the tweet he's quoted. What a chump.

GateauxBlaster · 30/06/2024 16:13

We discussed it

It's like reading an end of year report from a teacher who has spent a year dealing with Tarquin and his little 'quirks' and who is not allowed to rearrange the words "utter bound fucking for knobhead borstal" in to a sentence and use it in said report.

Clabony · 30/06/2024 16:05

I had an email from LGB Alliance, is it this KC that they are referring to?

This is the main content of the message:

"Dear Friend,

Most of us here have had to develop a pretty thick skin in the past five years since LGB Alliance was founded. But on Wednesday morning our legal team got in touch to highlight a post on X that they felt went beyond the ‘normal abuse’ we receive, and that they said was clearly defamatory.

The post was by an unfriendly KC – I won’t repeat what he said here – and our lawyers asked us to consider whether we wanted to proceed to legal action.

We discussed it.

We talked about the reputational damage caused by false claims and how these attacks on our integrity and motives - and on our people - make it so much harder to carry out our work. But we also agreed that interrupting that work is, in large part, the purpose of these attacks.

So we decided not to bite, and to focus on our priorities - the activities we conduct as an LGB charity."

WearyAuldWumman · 30/06/2024 15:54

pancakestastelikecrepe · 25/06/2024 23:17

Ha! Can’t read it: Foxy has blocked me.

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/06/2024 00:07

NitroNine · 29/06/2024 21:10

I’ve seen that TRA’s “data” & it has people up to age 28 who were never seen by GIDs; people who’d had surgery & were distressed by it; & several young people with long histories of complex mental health problems - inquests cited things like failings in care provision for example; or the police not immediately looking for a child who had a history of suicide attempts. One “suicide” listed was not an attempt to die (accidental inhalation of too much deodorant/bodyspray by a teenager with autism, ADHD & ODD).

That particular spreadsheet-creating US TRA has recently tweeted that Dr Cass has blood on her hands. That's some extremely inflammatory (and defamatory I would add) rhetoric that helps nobody.

SmudgeHughes · 29/06/2024 21:17

DialSquare · 26/06/2024 09:29

TRAs are always gong on about the LGBA address. I believe it's something to do with other businesses in the area. Some of them are right wing. Or something.

Tufton Street is where mysterious organisations set up right wing ‘think tanks’ that are actually front organisations and lobby groups. It’s a sort of shorthand for ‘shadowy’ and right-wing.

NitroNine · 29/06/2024 21:10

UtopiaPlanitia · 29/06/2024 01:02

Cake, I was shocked to see Ryan state that one American activist has made and published a spreadsheet claiming to track deaths by suicide of trans-identified young people in the UK. Michael Biggs of Oxford University was asked for comment regarding this potential data and he said the number given seemed 'very unlikely'.

The Cass Report is also mentioned by Ryan as suggesting some of the suicides were in young people who were GIDS patients not on the waiting list or patients who had transferred on to adult services.

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I’ve seen that TRA’s “data” & it has people up to age 28 who were never seen by GIDs; people who’d had surgery & were distressed by it; & several young people with long histories of complex mental health problems - inquests cited things like failings in care provision for example; or the police not immediately looking for a child who had a history of suicide attempts. One “suicide” listed was not an attempt to die (accidental inhalation of too much deodorant/bodyspray by a teenager with autism, ADHD & ODD).

Sloejelly · 29/06/2024 10:22

Someone who is suicidal quite simply does not have capacity to make decisions about medications and surgery. That alone should exclude them from treatment.

UtopiaPlanitia · 29/06/2024 01:02

Cake, I was shocked to see Ryan state that one American activist has made and published a spreadsheet claiming to track deaths by suicide of trans-identified young people in the UK. Michael Biggs of Oxford University was asked for comment regarding this potential data and he said the number given seemed 'very unlikely'.

The Cass Report is also mentioned by Ryan as suggesting some of the suicides were in young people who were GIDS patients not on the waiting list or patients who had transferred on to adult services.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 29/06/2024 00:40

Lexiea · 26/06/2024 12:06

55 Tufton St carries a lot of baggage, people who follow British politics whether on the left or right are very aware of it and the influence the organisations based there carry with the current government so it's an easy 'score' for TRAs to mention it - especially as if Labour get in then that governmental influence disappears immediately.

Accepting an office there was a rare misstep from LGBA.

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Every time I see trans activists mention Tufton Street now, I mentally bracket the speaker or writer with the type of people who made their children break off friendships with school peers who lived in <gasp> council houses.

lcakethereforeIam · 29/06/2024 00:16

I think there was a thread about this but I can't find it, so if you don't mind I'm leaving this here

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1806333497772048638.html

The Foxphobe claimed that a whistle-blower has given him information on a surge of suicides in Gids patients. I'll be charitable and assume he had just misunderstood.

What is it about tras weaponising the deaths of children and young people. If I ever meet JoMo or Starmer perhaps I'll ask them why they do it.

Thread by @benryanwriter on Thread Reader App

@benryanwriter: Claim of Suicide Surge in Youths on U.K. Wait List for Gender Care Undermined by ‘Cass Review’ 🧵: I report for The @NewYorkSun: The report on pediatric gender care also undermines suggestions by @Goo...…

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1806333497772048638.html

Redshoeblueshoe · 27/06/2024 23:23

That account has now been suspended