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Have I understood this correctly?

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Shufflebumnessie · 25/06/2024 16:55

I'm sue to attend my local hospital for an internal ultrasound (transvaginal).
The accompanying information I've recieved states 'If you have a preference of the gender identity of the person responsible for performing the examination please let us know in advance so that we may be able to accommodate your request'.

If they're going by gender identity, does that mean even if I specifically request the examination is performed by a female medical practitioner, I could still end up with a male (who claims to be female)? Or have I misunderstood?

OP posts:
Topofthemountain · 25/06/2024 19:15

Runningupthecurtains · 25/06/2024 18:59

Any close to half way decent man with a female identity would be self aware enough to stay away when a woman has requested to female to carry out a procedure so those who would plough on treating a woman knowing it is against their wishes are not being benign and professional.

This is how I feel. Those that plough on regardless are the very last people you want near you.

ScrapeMyArse · 25/06/2024 19:08

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

If I consent to a female and I get a male that insists they are female, that male is carrying out a procedure that I have not given informed consent to.

Hopefully in that instance I can decline the procedure, although this is obviously socially difficult and potentially detrimental to my health as I'll have to wait for another scan.

Unfortunately, many women with PTSD from male violence freeze or appease when triggered. I may be physically unable to stop the procedure and the male will be carrying out a procedure I have not given informed consent to. Ditto if they are a rare TW that passes.

Of course NOT ALL TRANSWOMEN HCP SEEK TO OVERRIDE WOMEN'S BOUNDARIES AND PERFORM INTIMATE PROCEDURES WITHOUT CONSENT. But it is extremely worrying that the NHS appears to enable any that do.

hastalav · 25/06/2024 19:06

This is a serious question, would everyone KNOW that the practitioner is trans? Are we told that they are trans before the procedure?

My difficulty would be in calling them out, and them being bio females all along with male build etc. I'm rambling here but I'd be mortified so how do we know. Do trans deliberately camp it up or what.

Sorry to offend anyone but I'm puzzled by this. In fact are we even allowed to object when in the room waiting to be seen and in comes what to me might be a male but ain't biologically.

What a bloody minefield, as if having the nether regions poked and prodded isn't enough trauma.

Ilovecashews · 25/06/2024 19:06

couple of furries

I have no idea what this means and I’ll pass the night awake thinking of possibilites

Runningupthecurtains · 25/06/2024 18:59

Any close to half way decent man with a female identity would be self aware enough to stay away when a woman has requested to female to carry out a procedure so those who would plough on treating a woman knowing it is against their wishes are not being benign and professional.

WickedSerious · 25/06/2024 18:56

maltravers · 25/06/2024 18:23

If I get banned for that farewell folks…

It's a fair question.

NewGreenDuck · 25/06/2024 18:48

He retired shortly after I was told that. It's disgusting, isn't it?

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 18:43

NewGreenDuck · 25/06/2024 18:40

BTW, a person who is 'professional', can also have a fetish. Many years ago I was warned by a GP at the practice I was attending that I should go careful with one of his colleagues. Apparently he had a habit of suggesting intimate examinations when there was no need for them. The GP actually said, just because he's a doctor he can still have an ulterior motive. I always requested the female doctors after that.
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I hope that this bastard was reported by you or the GP who told you about him?

NewGreenDuck · 25/06/2024 18:40

BTW, a person who is 'professional', can also have a fetish. Many years ago I was warned by a GP at the practice I was attending that I should go careful with one of his colleagues. Apparently he had a habit of suggesting intimate examinations when there was no need for them. The GP actually said, just because he's a doctor he can still have an ulterior motive. I always requested the female doctors after that.
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Chersfrozenface · 25/06/2024 18:37

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 25/06/2024 18:27

Hard to know. 'Gender' had been used as a synonym for 'sex' for a long time before the current gender ideology came about, and often still is.

It doesn't say "gender", though. It says "gender identity".

No way is that a synonym for "sex".

So it's not hard to know.

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 18:36

maltravers · 25/06/2024 18:23

Would you like a couple of furries performing your colonoscopy? Or would you find it an inappropriate time for them to be expressing themselves?

It's a great post and made me laugh even though it's a very serious point.

lanadelgrey · 25/06/2024 18:34

I found it hugely reassuring when I had this procedure about 18 months ago that the whole department was staffed by lovely women. The receptionist with calming Heart FM or similar on the radio and being gently chatty to some who were looking nervous, the nurses who were all middle aged as far as I could see and the doctors. I felt that whatever they discovered - I was on a two week pathway- they would understand and felt so much more calm. Luckily all was fine but there was a sense of strong female energy and of women caring for women

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 25/06/2024 18:27

Hard to know. 'Gender' had been used as a synonym for 'sex' for a long time before the current gender ideology came about, and often still is.

maltravers · 25/06/2024 18:23

If I get banned for that farewell folks…

maltravers · 25/06/2024 18:23

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

Would you like a couple of furries performing your colonoscopy? Or would you find it an inappropriate time for them to be expressing themselves?

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 18:08

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

FFS. 🙄

JellySaurus · 25/06/2024 18:08

It's not being a "goady fucker" to point out that medical professionals are just that - professional.

Nothing professional about using a patient as a prop in your fetish or to validate your belief.

Shufflebumnessie · 25/06/2024 18:03

Thank you for (unfortunately) confirming what I suspected.
Thank you to those of you who have provided suggested wording and to those who understand why I asked clarification in the first place.

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TinklySnail · 25/06/2024 17:53

I hate the fact that the NHS is using identity at the end of gender.
No NHS, just no 😑

ManchesterLu · 25/06/2024 17:44

misscockerspaniel · 25/06/2024 17:09

Excellent response.

(I am waiting for a goady fucker to come along and tell us that they wouldn't give a toss blah blah blah).

It's not being a "goady fucker" to point out that medical professionals are just that - professional.

JellySaurus · 25/06/2024 17:39

not consented, not not connected.

endofthelinefinally · 25/06/2024 17:38

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JellySaurus · 25/06/2024 17:37

GoldViper · 25/06/2024 17:04

I had a transvaginal.ultrasound done by a man. There was a woman in the room as well though so I was fine with it. Although I know some women wouldn't be

If it had just been me and him in the room I would have refused.

Likewise.

The difference between a male practitioner carrying out an invasive procedure on a consenting woman, and a TW practitioner in the same situation is that not only the woman patient has not connected to having a man perform an invasive procedure on her, but neither has she consented to performing in his roleplay.

Datun · 25/06/2024 17:36

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

Perhaps you should start reading the articles and book by Debbie Hayton. A trans identified male who has is a self-confessed autogynephile. He fully admits that dressing in women's clothes is sexually arousing to him.

Similar to what one might call a transvestite in old money. Many men identify as AGP.

greenpolarbear · 25/06/2024 17:33

endofthelinefinally · 25/06/2024 17:17

I have no issues with my male GP, or the male doctor who sutured my 2nd degree tear. I would be deeply uncomfortable with a man dressed in stereotypical female clothing, wearing make up and a wig, doing any kind of procedure, because I would immediately assume he was getting a kick out of humiliating me.

Why? They aren't dressing like that for you. Your opinion about anything other than their job/standard of their work is irrelevant.

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