Have I understood this correctly?

Far too much logic in there, Necessary 😄

The number of medical personnel that identify as trans women who do these procedures will also give an idea of if it will be likely to happen.

If the numbers are not worth worrying about, then surely it's best to just rule out the possibility by being very clear that it's sex, not gender identity?

By your logic the chances of this inconveniencing any transwoman who's desperate to slip past an unsuspecting female patient's "female carer" requirement is negligible, so we can just forget about it. Right?

I'm not going to buy any "don't worry it won't happen" from anyone who is clearly deliberately making policy to allow it to happen.

In a healthcare setting i want a professional, and in the past i have mostly had male OB/GYN but the odd female doctor. I am ok with this, and when it has been a male OB/GYN for a check-up there has always been a chaperone who is a female.

So in theory a transwoman nurse or OB/GYN wouldn't bother me. Except that given what i have seen online, i wonder if they are just doing it for kicks. So that kind of puts me off and i would definitely be asking for a chaperone.

What a mess it all is.

How will we know with any certainty when crimes like this against women are reported as by women?
I could trawl through many lists to find crimes by medical personnel but if it states woman on woman, aside from women dont typically commit these crimes, I'll never know unless I go to the court on the day.

The likelihood may or may not be low, but it seems ok with you as long as it's some other woman who is treated this way? I mean nice for you and all, but those women wont be thinking of you while they're being assaulted eh.

Theres not much comfort to me when it's my daughter in this situation, but ymmv

But that one trans woman can affect every woman he meets in that role. Maybe he even worked to get into that role because he can do this to women.

How many women upset by this is too many?

Is there a way to see the numbers of trans woman who are doctors and who work within the gynaecologist area?

No. And of course the person performing the scan may not be a doctor.

I think it will be miniscule, if that. Not something for anyone to worry about.

But clearly people are worried. So writing letters in a way that increases that worry is a problem. It may not happen often but it does happen, and people do worry.

There are easier ways to assault women.

Of course there are. And yet - as posted above - assault by surgeons is rife. There are easier ways to abuse children than by become a priest, scout leader or teacher - but plenty of people have choosen that route. There are easier ways to become famous than by training as an astronaut and spending months on the international space station, but people do it. It's a facile argument.

So the long record of male doctors sexually assaulting their patients is just a series of unfortunate mistakes?

Would you like a couple of furries performing your colonoscopy? Or would you find it an inappropriate time for them to be expressing themselves?

Well made point!

Why aren't they dressing for their patients?
I am a very manly woman. Muscular, broad shoulders, big veiny hands, deep voice. I always dress to reassure that I am a woman. What's the point of clothes if not to communicate to the people around us?
Wearing appropriate clothes is part of being professional.

Do you have any references that the male medical personnel were identifying as trans/as women? Not goady just interested

What difference does it make? They are men, regardless of what they believe, or wear, or do to their bodies, or perform, or pretend.

ManchesterLu · Yesterday 17:44
It's not being a "goady fucker" to point out that medical professionals are just that - professional.

Not sure if this is naivety or gaslighting but even female surgeons aren't safe from predatory male HCPs, even in the operating theatre.

^Female surgeons say they are being sexually harassed, assaulted and in some cases raped by colleagues, a major analysis of NHS staff has found.*

Nearly two-thirds of women surgeons who responded to the researchers said they had been the target of sexual harassment and a third had been sexually assaulted by colleagues in the past five years.

BBC News has spoken to women who were sexually assaulted in the operating theatre while surgery took place.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-66775015.amp

Apart from those mirax has off the top of her head, we've had at least two threads deleted in the last week about a case highlighted by Maya Forstater.

Nah they'd never be able to control the scope with those bloody great paws.

Well men can, and do, go into the police force, teaching, scouting and the priesthood to violate women and children.

They don't pay as well, of course.

Sorry, there is a case right now of 4 NHS nurses suing their employer because a trans identifying colleague made them feel perved upon in the changing room. He wasnt taking cross sex hormones or anything, simply someone who identified as female and called himself Rose. There was a case of rape vehemently denied initially by a trans identifying patient. This is just from memory and I am not going to trawl the net for news of trans identified medical personnel committing crimes because you know what, it is simply not germane to the issue at hand. Your argument is predictable : there are so few trans personnel, the likelihood of crime is low (some woman who is an "unlikely statistic" must suck up the abuse), no one would go to so much trouble, ie medical school and/or transition to simply abuse some luckless woman or child (in other words, get over yourselves bitches).

Just the other day, there was a report in my local paper (I dont live in the UK) of a young male doctor attempting to take photos of a female colleague showering in the unisex bathrooms in the hospital. It wasnt his first offence, he had been caught doing the same in medical school in Australia. It seems to me that medicine is not such a sacred vocation that it never stops men from offfending. That you bring up such a naive argument is rather unbelievable but I understand that you are grasping at straws here.
That even with safeguards one cannot completely eliminate risk is not at all the argument for dismantling such safeguards altogether! That you want other hapless women and children to bear the risks is despicable.

Not saying it would never happen, but has it?

The number of medical personnel that identify as trans women who do these procedures will also give an idea of if it will be likely to happen.

The liklihood is very low, (or even non existent, likely), giving women a higher sense of comfort when making these decisions.

We will never have a zero percent chance of these risks involved with intimate examinations. Its really horrible we have to even consider this. But we don't seem to consider disgusting people going to study for years to scrap it all on this? (i'd never excuse) but surely theres much quicker and easier ways to violate woman.

Not for trans identifying medical personnel but are we going for the "it would never happen" argument here? Or are we heading for True Trans territory?

I recently had surgery twice on my breast with local anaesthesia (it should have been general, but that's another story). The surgeon was male, and on one of those occasions there wasn't an accompanying nurse in the room. I didn't feel entirely comfortable, of course, but I tried to assume that he was seeing just an area of human flesh like any other he sees in the course of a day - ie. that he was a professional.

It's good that you were asked for your preferences, OP.

Do you have any references that the male medical personnel were identifying as trans/as women? Not goady just interested

Yeah, I completely agree with this. But, personally, I don't care who does these procedures on me whether female/male/other but I know i'm in the minority for that and fully understand why we as woman would only want a biological female. For me, as long as they are qualified I hope they will do the job professionally. Is there a way to see the numbers of trans woman who are doctors and who work within the gynaecologist area? I think it will be miniscule, if that. Not something for anyone to worry about.

But I must stress, I understand, we all have different preferences and I think it should be okay to voice these preferences.

You could write back asking how they justify discriminating by gender identity. Do they allow patients to specify the preferred race or nationality of their treating staff.

Point out that there is a long and legally well-founded basis for discriminating by sex.

What's the legal foundation for supporting discrimination by gender identity?

If you are feeling extra playful, you could ask how they square this with their commitment to oppose transphobia.

No. Too many male medical personnel have committed sex crimes on female patients and prove your assertion to be false. Safeguards and chaperone protocols exist for this reason.

It probably is very low but look at the anxiety caused to the OP.

Causing female patients who are due to have intimate procedures worry by using ideological language and giving the impression they might not get the female HCP they ask for.

How many women read this information and cancel or just don't turn up? They won't know because they haven't bothered to find out.

The NHS are a disgrace on this and it's cruelty to gaslight women, many of whom will already be anxious or apprehensive about invasive procedures.

Literature for procedures like this should state a woman can ask for a female HCP and the word female should mean just that.

It doesn't matter how low the likelihood is. One woman being expected to pretend that a trans identified man is the female clinician that she expressed a preference for is one too many.

to be fair, the likliehood of having a trans woman is very low