David Tennant - Wishes Kemi B would ‘shut up’

David Tennant is an idiot. What the fuck has Clause 28 got to do with any of this? Trans Ideology is regressive and homophobic. It’s the equivalent of my late ex-mother-in-law, who insisted her neighbour had turned her son gay because she bought him a doll’s house.

These people NEVER engage with the real concerns of us whinging little fuckers. They NEVER stop to question themselves. They NEVER peep out of their bubble-wrapped echo chambers, because they don’t fucking have to. They’re insulated by money, privilege, and fucking fawning yes-them hanging onto every ill-thought out, sixth-form opinion they fart out every time they see a microphone.

God that’s really pissed me off.

Me too. It's been the most incredible disappointment to me. These lefty men, the guardian, the BBC.

Germaine Greer is right. We don't realise how much a lot of men really hate us.

I think it does you know. I mean if you look at how Thatcher kind of positioned herself in the Tory party and how the Tories talked about her, it was very much a sort of tough, hard matron figure - she was going to run the country with an iron fist just like she ran her chemistry lab and her household! And again, maybe because of some freudian love for nanny or whatever, the tory wets loved it. And she did play on all that, with her handbags and her housewife metaphors for the economy.

I can't really think of an equivalent on the progressive side, I find it hard to imagine and older mother rising to a similar position in Labour. I mean, the Corbynites HATED Thornbury (again, a very visceral hatred, almost physical disgust). Even Diane Abbott is lionised and fetishised by the left as a sort of statue or 2 dimensional icon in Labour history rather than taken seriously for her policies.

I can't really imagine someone like Ruth Davidson an out lesbian leading Labour . I mean even Sturgeon had to get married to be acceptable to her progressive party.

Is this the article?

https://thecritic.co.uk/lefty-mens-failures-have-radicalised-women/

David Tennant doing a fine job for the #letthemspeak cause. What an ignorant, arrogant, hateful man he is. Such clear insight into his feelings towards women.

That’s really interesting, and perhaps at least partially explains why middle aged and upwards female politicians tend to more successful in centre-right and right wing parties than left wing parties? Once the children are settled with nanny/at boarding school/fully grown adults the formidable matriarch can get on with her career and at least some right wing men fall (back) into line behind ‘Matron’ whereas older women with similar personality traits & ambitions tend to be demonised as a ‘battle axes’ by lefty men?

It’s much harder to be both a mother and have a career if you have to pack both full time roles into the same couple of decades, if you can do them consecutively rather than concurrently it’s much more doable but in order for that to happen you have to move in professional circles where you won’t be automatically written off at menopause.

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I'm pretty sure Victoria Smith or someone wrote an article in Unherd or Spiked or somewhere earlier this year about lefty blokes being the Most Misogynist but I searched for it yesterday and couldn't find it, probably because it wasn't Victoria and it wasn't Unherd. Does it ring a bell with anyone else?

Interesting take @GiveMeSpanakopita, I've never thought of it quite that way before.

My theory (and it really is no more than a theory) is that sexist conservative men tend to have more innate respect for the vitally important (and still usually female) roles of mother and manager of the home. Whether that's because of fond memories of nanny in the nursery or matron at school I don't know, and of course it too often tips into an assumption that a woman's role is still largely in the kitchen or as a SAHM. But the respect for those roles is there: they respect those spheres, and the millennia of female passed down expertise that's gone into them.

Whereas lefty men, for whatever reason, don't value or respect these things. I used to move in very lefty/queer circles (don't worry; I'm better now) in the early 00s when postmodernism and queer theory was really starting to make an impact in the UK and what always struck me was the sheer disrespect and even disgust for the role of mothers. (Plus also the transactionalisation of sex which I think lies at the route of the trans movement). I think a lot of the current generation of progressive elites also came up in those circles and that's why they hate terfs so much, cos a lot of terfs are mothers for extremely obvious reasons that we don't need to go into here.

I'm just thinking out loud as I type but this is kind of how I see it. And it needs to be fixed because otherwise we're gonna see more female Gen As going down the tradwife route, cos that's where they think they'll get the most respect for their femaleness.

Where did that ‘more heat than light’ phrase come from? The first time I can recall hearing ever it came from Lisa Nandy in her Labour leadership campaign, since then I’ve heard it parroted everywhere.

Was it issued via memo from Party HQ?

100% this, well put. This is my observation too.

You only had to see the pure rage that Lloyd Russell Moyle had towards Miriam Cates in the House of Commons to see the hatred in practice. My main thought upon watching was 'if this is what he'll do with cameras, what will he do behind closed doors'. Who knows why he was deselected but I'm not surprised.

You sound like a child tbh.

Unhelpful about women's rights? Or something else entirely unconnected to this thread?

I can bear it, can you bear me saying I wish she would shut up? I wished Boris would shut up, and many other politicians who generated more heat than light

I honestly am coming to the conclusion that lefty men can be way nastier than conservative men

I realised this some time ago. I used to think left wing men were the good guys. What a fool I was.

It was just an example of the kind of thing she says that I think is unhelpful and which makes me wish she would shut up

So you cannot bear to hear an opinion which differs from your own? How awful that must be!

What's that got to do with David Tennant's non binary child?

I don’t recall her saying that. She did say that the UK’s wealth “was not due to colonial history or racial privilege” though

What, that women are people too and deserve rights?

Yes this is what I was trying to say but not as succinctly!

My theory on that is that conservative men tend not to lie about who they are. If they think that women deserve to be paid less than men they tend to say so and to come up with some (bullshit but at least they try) reasons for it. Whereas left wing men dress up their misogyny in progressive talk about sex workers and gender identity blah blah blah.

I've also found, and granted this is my experience only, that bigoted conservative men tend to be sexist rather than misogynist. Like, their attitude towards women tends to be patronising and paternalistically contemptuous but that's it. Whereas lefties, I don't know whether it's because they have to keep it hidden, but their feelings are much more likely to be actually malevolent and hateful.

It's weird.

I wish Kemi would shut up, not because she’s a woman, but because she’s a person in a position of power who is saying things that I believe are divisive and damaging.

I think conservative men generally aren't struggling with the cognitive dissonance that makes many leftie men so vicious and angry.

Conservative men will just openly state they believe in traditional gender roles etc.

Men like Tennant have to play lip service to being 'feminist' when in reality they consider men superior as much as their conservative counterparts do.

Have to pretend increases the rage.

I don't have any reason to suppose David Tennant's child is taking any drugs to mess with his endocrine system. I wouldn't expect it at that age just for being "non-binary" and with any luck his kid will stick at non-binary and/or grow out of the whole thing anyway when he hits puberty. Most gender-questioning and gender non-conforming kids do, after all.

The nice thing about "non-binary" being mostly meaningless is that it's easier to row back from. You can decide "non-binary" means something different to you now and get on with your life.

"Trans" on the other hand is trickier to unwind so I do hope Tennant hasn't been going round telling the world he has a "trans" child.