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UtilitarianNameChange · 29/06/2024 11:33

The sad fact is that even a glittery progressive parent with an ‘ally’ award is at risk of being cut off without notice as soon as the trans child is old enough to leave the family home.

Heterosexual parents, even affirming ones, are a consistent reminder of the material reality of biological sex.

mrshoho · 29/06/2024 11:16

SisterWendyBuckett · 29/06/2024 10:34

I’m sickened by this ignorant luvvie and others like him.

In 2017 my 20 year old daughter very suddenly announced she was non-binary. This was after a turbulent and traumatic episode in her life. She had recently come out as a lesbian but the non binary identity quickly took over.

We did our best to accept this sudden change, go along with her wishes and not question her choices.

Within 3 months she decided she was in fact trans - had always been a male but just ‘never had the words to explain this’ - and was sent by our GP to the adult gender identity clinic.

Her mental health deteriorated and her personality seemed to change overnight.

By the following year, having recently started on testosterone, she cut herself off from us. We were labelled transphobic bigots, refusing to accept her true identity, because we had tried to discuss the dangers of rushing too quickly into permanent medical changes. She accused her brother of wanting her to have conversion therapy because he was so worried about her state of mind that he dared to suggest she might try some counselling.

We haven’t seen her in 6 long years and have to accept we may never see or hear from her again. We found out several years ago that she has had a double mastectomy. The shock is still there…it’s not something you can get used to.

Estranging from parents is a feature, not a bug, for young people who pledge their allegiance to this movement. For parents like us this is a vicious ideology, dressed up as a sparkly, ‘be kind’, human rights movement, that can seize hold of vulnerable young people’s minds and convince them that up is down, that their body is the seat of all their ills, and that the way to become your true self is to rid yourself of your health and fertility.

David Tennant has absolutely no idea. He’s a heterosexual married man able to father multiple children, adorned in glitter and pink nail varnish, whose absence of thinking and desire to paint himself as ‘progressive’, blinds him to the multiple harms and rights conflicts that gender ideology creates and enacts.

He stands there clutching his ally’s award, eyes bulging and frothing with self-righteous anger, and pronounces that it would be a better world if women like Kemi Badenoch shut up and disappear. He wants women, who believe in sex based rights, protecting women’s single sex spaces and safeguarding children and young people, to go away.

I have never been a Tory voter, but if Kemi was my candidate, would I vote for her? 1000 X yes because in my constituency the incumbent Labour MP is a man who actively supports a male who parades his desire to ‘breastfeed’ in public. It’s beyond belief that an MP could stand up for and enable one of the most disturbing paraphilias around and this not be widely reported on.

He, David Tennant and so many others, continue to demonstrate just how far removed the left wing elite have become from material reality and necessary societal boundaries and safeguards.

So yes, David Tennant, I too have skin in the game and us “little whinging f*ers” refuse to go away because there’s far too much at stake to stay silent.

Heart wrenching post @SisterWendyBuckett . Thank you for writing what must be so painful to go through as a parent.

SisterWendyBuckett · 29/06/2024 10:34

I’m sickened by this ignorant luvvie and others like him.

In 2017 my 20 year old daughter very suddenly announced she was non-binary. This was after a turbulent and traumatic episode in her life. She had recently come out as a lesbian but the non binary identity quickly took over.

We did our best to accept this sudden change, go along with her wishes and not question her choices.

Within 3 months she decided she was in fact trans - had always been a male but just ‘never had the words to explain this’ - and was sent by our GP to the adult gender identity clinic.

Her mental health deteriorated and her personality seemed to change overnight.

By the following year, having recently started on testosterone, she cut herself off from us. We were labelled transphobic bigots, refusing to accept her true identity, because we had tried to discuss the dangers of rushing too quickly into permanent medical changes. She accused her brother of wanting her to have conversion therapy because he was so worried about her state of mind that he dared to suggest she might try some counselling.

We haven’t seen her in 6 long years and have to accept we may never see or hear from her again. We found out several years ago that she has had a double mastectomy. The shock is still there…it’s not something you can get used to.

Estranging from parents is a feature, not a bug, for young people who pledge their allegiance to this movement. For parents like us this is a vicious ideology, dressed up as a sparkly, ‘be kind’, human rights movement, that can seize hold of vulnerable young people’s minds and convince them that up is down, that their body is the seat of all their ills, and that the way to become your true self is to rid yourself of your health and fertility.

David Tennant has absolutely no idea. He’s a heterosexual married man able to father multiple children, adorned in glitter and pink nail varnish, whose absence of thinking and desire to paint himself as ‘progressive’, blinds him to the multiple harms and rights conflicts that gender ideology creates and enacts.

He stands there clutching his ally’s award, eyes bulging and frothing with self-righteous anger, and pronounces that it would be a better world if women like Kemi Badenoch shut up and disappear. He wants women, who believe in sex based rights, protecting women’s single sex spaces and safeguarding children and young people, to go away.

I have never been a Tory voter, but if Kemi was my candidate, would I vote for her? 1000 X yes because in my constituency the incumbent Labour MP is a man who actively supports a male who parades his desire to ‘breastfeed’ in public. It’s beyond belief that an MP could stand up for and enable one of the most disturbing paraphilias around and this not be widely reported on.

He, David Tennant and so many others, continue to demonstrate just how far removed the left wing elite have become from material reality and necessary societal boundaries and safeguards.

So yes, David Tennant, I too have skin in the game and us “little whinging f*ers” refuse to go away because there’s far too much at stake to stay silent.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/06/2024 09:41

there's a fairly frothy local independent candidate here who seems like a decent person. I might vote for him on the basis that it would be quite fun in a Mr Smith Goes to Washington kind of way if he did find himself in the HoC, and as Icake says, at this point I'm interested in tempering the Labour majority

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2024 09:31

That's an impressive interview from Kemi Badenoch.

Hyperions · 29/06/2024 09:26

I went to the hustings last Tuesday and the only candidate who said they were going to defend women's rights was the Tory, she was a councillor before standing for parliament and was also able to answer questions about the potholes and housing issues.

NotBadConsidering · 29/06/2024 09:25

WearyAuldWumman · 29/06/2024 00:34

You make very good points.

Are puberty blockers still being allowed in the UK? I thought they'd been suspended. Of course, they could move elsewhere.

Well if the thread with the article by Helen Webberley GenderGP is anything to go by, it’s still perfectly possible to get puberty blockers one way or another, and I imagine Tennant could fly to any clinic.

lcakethereforeIam · 29/06/2024 09:13

I think I'm going to hold my nose and vote Tory. I won't know for sure until I'm in the booth. I might actually cry. It helps that we're marginal and, despite my best efforts 😁, will probably go blue to yellow. I think a Labour government is inevitable regardless. I don't hold out much hope but perhaps they can be mitigated. And there's still a few days, perhaps Starmer will stop waffling, say something unequivocal and sane and I'll be able to vote Labour.

What? Why yes, that is a straw I'm clutching.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/06/2024 09:06

LunaNorth · 29/06/2024 07:11

God KB totally nails it there.

I’m so fucking conflicted. I was reading that, thinking, I’m voting for this! Then I remembered, she’s a Conservative, and, well. Fucking look at everything else.

It’s a bit heartbreaking, actually. I just want to say to the trans people, ‘Look, for once, this is not about YOU.’

Sad

sigh

she comes across so well doesn't she. I can't vote conservative, I really can't. but they have a person of this calibre. it's very conflicting.

Catsmere · 29/06/2024 08:06

Littlewhingingfucker · 29/06/2024 08:01

How do you tell if a dalek's horny?

"Ejaculate, ejaculate!We will ejaculate!

🤣🤣🤣

Littlewhingingfucker · 29/06/2024 08:01

NeilsExorcistMoonshine · 29/06/2024 02:50

Well the features are from a glamour shot... And possibly the Darlek body too, how do you tell if a Darlek is trying to be sexy? (Sounds like the beginning of a corny joke, answers on the back of a postcard please)

How do you tell if a dalek's horny?

"Ejaculate, ejaculate!We will ejaculate!

LunaNorth · 29/06/2024 07:11

God KB totally nails it there.

I’m so fucking conflicted. I was reading that, thinking, I’m voting for this! Then I remembered, she’s a Conservative, and, well. Fucking look at everything else.

It’s a bit heartbreaking, actually. I just want to say to the trans people, ‘Look, for once, this is not about YOU.’

Sad
DramaLlamaBangBang · 29/06/2024 07:10

This leads to the fear of upcoming male puberty determining for sure that the child will physically move towards one of the two sex binaries, and push the child towards wanting action to prevent that happening

Also thr Tennants child has been photographed and put online with long flowing blonde hair and an extravagant dress, and paraded around in a T Shurt that says ' let's get this straight-im not' That is not androgenous. That is firstly, with the 'not straight' comment sexualising a child, but a statement that he is a boy dressed as a woman. He could have either not been put online at all or just been a boy with long hair, as most boys in DS's school were at one stage.

DworkinWasRight · 29/06/2024 06:48

Kemi answers back: Kemi Badenoch: ‘I do think David Tennant is a misogynist’

www.thetimes.com/article/37dd2171-fe8e-489e-a709-bab0a1636d31?shareToken=8e6ee57f48b6514edfb9c1a2cfb61e4b

Catsmere · 29/06/2024 06:31

NeilsExorcistMoonshine · 29/06/2024 02:50

Well the features are from a glamour shot... And possibly the Darlek body too, how do you tell if a Darlek is trying to be sexy? (Sounds like the beginning of a corny joke, answers on the back of a postcard please)

😆😆😆

NeilsExorcistMoonshine · 29/06/2024 02:50

Catsmere · 28/06/2024 23:45

You've flattered him! 😄

Well the features are from a glamour shot... And possibly the Darlek body too, how do you tell if a Darlek is trying to be sexy? (Sounds like the beginning of a corny joke, answers on the back of a postcard please)

lonelywater · 29/06/2024 01:12

MaidOfAle · 29/06/2024 00:22

My cunt is offended at being compared to David Tennant.

but it should not be, because, unlike Tennant, it is neither thick or nasty.

Catsmere · 29/06/2024 00:52

Second, gender clinicians have argued, in medical journal articles, that it is ethical to use puberty blockers to keep a child’s body in a “non binary” state forever (which in reality, is forever pre-pubertal). So it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that a practitioner somewhere would facilitate this.

Which makes me ask, not for the first time, which group benefits from having permanently childlike, physically and cognitively undeveloped, but of-legal-age adults ...

WearyAuldWumman · 29/06/2024 00:34

NotBadConsidering · 28/06/2024 23:47

This is not guaranteed.

Firstly, “non-binary” is often a step towards identifying as the opposite sex, particularly as puberty approaches and particularly with parents who enable the idea that puberty is somehow optional. This leads to the fear of upcoming male puberty determining for sure that the child will physically move towards one of the two sex binaries, and push the child towards wanting action to prevent that happening.

Second, gender clinicians have argued, in medical journal articles, that it is ethical to use puberty blockers to keep a child’s body in a “non binary” state forever (which in reality, is forever pre-pubertal). So it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that a practitioner somewhere would facilitate this.

I think the second option is less likely. The first option happens all the time. Gender clinicians say the non-binary status was “just part of the journey”.

You make very good points.

Are puberty blockers still being allowed in the UK? I thought they'd been suspended. Of course, they could move elsewhere.

MaidOfAle · 29/06/2024 00:22

lonelywater · 28/06/2024 18:10

Here you go-Tennant is a thick nasty cunt. Hope that helps.

My cunt is offended at being compared to David Tennant.

NotBadConsidering · 28/06/2024 23:47

WearyAuldWumman · 28/06/2024 22:07

He doesn't have a lot to lose: supposedly the boy is merely non-binary, so there won't be any surgeries or puberty blockers.

This is not guaranteed.

Firstly, “non-binary” is often a step towards identifying as the opposite sex, particularly as puberty approaches and particularly with parents who enable the idea that puberty is somehow optional. This leads to the fear of upcoming male puberty determining for sure that the child will physically move towards one of the two sex binaries, and push the child towards wanting action to prevent that happening.

Second, gender clinicians have argued, in medical journal articles, that it is ethical to use puberty blockers to keep a child’s body in a “non binary” state forever (which in reality, is forever pre-pubertal). So it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that a practitioner somewhere would facilitate this.

I think the second option is less likely. The first option happens all the time. Gender clinicians say the non-binary status was “just part of the journey”.

Catsmere · 28/06/2024 23:45

NeilsExorcistMoonshine · 28/06/2024 21:33

For the nightmares bank...

You've flattered him! 😄

EnfysPreseli · 28/06/2024 23:20

WearyAuldWumman · 28/06/2024 22:07

He doesn't have a lot to lose: supposedly the boy is merely non-binary, so there won't be any surgeries or puberty blockers.

So just the pseudo-scientific quasi-religious mind games then. And making him think he isn't a proper boy because he doesn't comply with arbitrary and oppressive stereotypes. And that everybody who doesn't fall into line or see things as they do doesn't have any real grounds for disagreeing, other than that they really hate him and people like him. And that if he doesn't get everything he wants, including experimental hormones (e.g. puberty blockers or micro-doses of oestrogen) and unquestioning support, he may not be mentally resilient enough to survive. And that if he isn't really non-binary and just an ordinary boy that he will cease to be special and deserving of attention.

I suppose it could be worse, but it's not just medical transition that is damaging.

WearyAuldWumman · 28/06/2024 22:07

Theeyeballsinthesky · 28/06/2024 08:06

Fuck me he really is a massive cunt isn’t he

It’s quite disturbing how he’s so 1000 % on board with his child’s “trans” status. God forbid said child ever decided he was just like all the other children after all.

He doesn't have a lot to lose: supposedly the boy is merely non-binary, so there won't be any surgeries or puberty blockers.

TheDoctorIsAGP · 28/06/2024 22:03

Makes me wonder if there's something more to this, perhaps an even more personal interest in trans issues than just how his child is identifying.