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UtopiaPlanitia · 29/06/2024 14:51

Article in The Times:

https://archive.is/2KabW

Why actors and politics don’t mix
'David Tennant isn’t the first star to hit trouble when he speaks without a script and the instinct for applause takes over'

CaveMum · 29/06/2024 14:47

Talk of KS and his possible clothing preferences reminds me of one of my favourite CJ Cregg quotes on The West Wing:

”One in forty American men wear women’s clothing and we’ve had well over forty Presidents. I’m just saying, one of these guys was dancing around the Oval Office in a prom dress. Now let’s get to the bottom of that.”

UtopiaPlanitia · 29/06/2024 14:35

Datun · 28/06/2024 16:41

Is there a share token, or an archive version, sinner?

If you’re still interested here’s an archive link to the Burchill article in The Spectator Datun

https://archive.is/PYH7q

CorruptedCauldron · 29/06/2024 14:04

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 13:55

The night before (June 25), Tennant was present at the British LGBT Awards to accept the LGBT+ Celebrity Ally award. During his speech, he addressed Badenoch, saying: “I don’t wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up.”

I was interested to see this ‘economical’ version of the quote - leaving out what David Tennant had said first:

'until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore.'

Yes, a very good point. It’s quite sinister how these news organisations can be so misleading. Why would they not use that part of the quote? Could it be because they know damn well it makes Tennant look bad?

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 13:55

CorruptedCauldron · 29/06/2024 13:32

Meanwhile the NME reports on JK Rowling saying Tennant is part of the Gender Taliban. They have made an embarrassing fail, linking in the singer Billy Bragg but it’s a case of mistaken identity! They’ll probably correct it soon. And of course they call JK anti-trans. 🙄

https://www.nme.com/news/film/jk-rowling-says-david-tennant-is-part-of-gender-taliban-after-actor-calls-trans-critics-little-whinging-fuckers-3769990

The night before (June 25), Tennant was present at the British LGBT Awards to accept the LGBT+ Celebrity Ally award. During his speech, he addressed Badenoch, saying: “I don’t wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up.”

I was interested to see this ‘economical’ version of the quote - leaving out what David Tennant had said first:

'until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore.'

RoyalCorgi · 29/06/2024 13:55

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 29/06/2024 13:17

I know this is all deadly serious but his "99% of women don't have a penis" always makes me laugh. It's so ridiculous but oddly specific.

Yes, it is funny. It's a perfect example of what happens when you force yourself to say something you know is a lie. Starmer knows he's talking crap but he's now fully committed to it, unfortunately.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 29/06/2024 13:45

Littlewhingingfucker · 29/06/2024 13:36

Has he got a secret closet full of wigs and nice floral frocks
Thanks for that image. Now I will never be able to look at his square wooden jaw without wondering what shade of lippy he prefers.

Sorry.
(I see him in the Rimmel classic "Heather Shimmer" myself)

Littlewhingingfucker · 29/06/2024 13:36

MistyGreenAndBlue · 29/06/2024 13:12

I have occasionally wondered this about Keir Starmer. Has he got a secret closet full of wigs and nice floral frocks? 😂

Has he got a secret closet full of wigs and nice floral frocks
Thanks for that image. Now I will never be able to look at his square wooden jaw without wondering what shade of lippy he prefers.

CorruptedCauldron · 29/06/2024 13:32

Meanwhile the NME reports on JK Rowling saying Tennant is part of the Gender Taliban. They have made an embarrassing fail, linking in the singer Billy Bragg but it’s a case of mistaken identity! They’ll probably correct it soon. And of course they call JK anti-trans. 🙄

https://www.nme.com/news/film/jk-rowling-says-david-tennant-is-part-of-gender-taliban-after-actor-calls-trans-critics-little-whinging-fuckers-3769990

CorruptedCauldron · 29/06/2024 13:20

I thought this was interesting in The Scotsman: ‘There’s nothing progressive about David Tennant’s intolerance of Kemi Badenoch’

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/why-theres-nothing-progressive-about-david-tennants-intolerance-of-kemi-badenoch-4682047#disqus-comment-section

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 29/06/2024 13:17

I know this is all deadly serious but his "99% of women don't have a penis" always makes me laugh. It's so ridiculous but oddly specific.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 29/06/2024 13:12

TheDoctorIsAGP · 28/06/2024 22:03

Makes me wonder if there's something more to this, perhaps an even more personal interest in trans issues than just how his child is identifying.

I have occasionally wondered this about Keir Starmer. Has he got a secret closet full of wigs and nice floral frocks? 😂

Greaterorlesser · 29/06/2024 13:12

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/06/2024 20:43

Ah Tbf dawn butler is responsible for one of the best MN threads of all time when she threatened to call the police on us 😆

Dawn can be comedy gold. Reciting the lyrics to ‘Something inside so Strong’. Time after time was remarkably cringe (Google it if you have never seen it)

lcakethereforeIam · 29/06/2024 12:43

Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph on the pride flag, the numbers are interesting, the last paragraph won't be new to most people on here

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/29/when-the-pride-flag-represents-everybody-it-represents-nobo/

https://archive.ph/2Zd0Q colourful jackboots are still jackboots

GailBlancheViola · 29/06/2024 12:39

WearyAuldWumman · 29/06/2024 12:27

I think that DT is in for a shock. We now have three cases of nurses taking their NHS trusts to a tribunal for failing to provide single sex changing rooms for female staffs. This is bound to make more and more people aware of the problem.

Does DT want the nurses to disappear, I wonder?

I only became aware of the Fife case last night - so that's 2 in England, one in Scotland.

Link to a post made on Twitter/X by the local MP. x.com/JNHanvey/status/1806754711917515196

There you go, following on from what UpThePankhurst said - Women your bodies are ours and we get to dictate and control what you are allowed to do with them. You must service us with your bodies at all times whenever we demand and accede to whatever we want whether that be undressing in front of us, allowing us to examine you, counsel you after rape or sexual assault, provide intimate care or accepting us as sexual partners Progress, ladies, progress, what a Brave New World we are in.

And we the dissenters are the ones labelled toxic and fascist. Dystopia has truly arrived.

EdithStourton · 29/06/2024 12:35

💐@SisterWendyBuckett

I have a young trans relative. Her mother barely discusses it, and I know she finds it very hard to handle. Double mastectomy there, too.

Catsmere · 29/06/2024 12:35

UpThePankhurst · 29/06/2024 12:08

It also requires that those homosexual people who are female learn to tolerate unwanted straight sex in order to provide men who wish to identify as women with.... well. Basically unpaid sex work. Those not up for this are shamed, excluded and threatened, so it's 'do straight sex or else'.

That's conversion therapy. In full..

But that's apparently an okay form of conversion therapy because being done by the righteous, and she's a cow who won't see that bloke as a woman so she deserves it.

Edited

Yes, it's the same sort of conversion therapy lesbians have been subjected to in many places and at many times, with the added twist of these particular heterosexual men's fetishes.

PronounssheRa · 29/06/2024 12:34

Does DT want the nurses to disappear, I wonder?

It won't even be on his radar. He, his wife and children are privileged and wealthy they can buy themselves out of 90% of negative impacts

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2024 12:32

SisterWendyBuckett Flowers

WearyAuldWumman · 29/06/2024 12:27

I think that DT is in for a shock. We now have three cases of nurses taking their NHS trusts to a tribunal for failing to provide single sex changing rooms for female staffs. This is bound to make more and more people aware of the problem.

Does DT want the nurses to disappear, I wonder?

I only became aware of the Fife case last night - so that's 2 in England, one in Scotland.

Link to a post made on Twitter/X by the local MP. x.com/JNHanvey/status/1806754711917515196

UpThePankhurst · 29/06/2024 12:08

Catsmere · 29/06/2024 11:47

@SisterWendyBuckett I am so sorry you and your family have been through this.

The outrageous thing - well, one of many - is that "transing" is the conversion therapy. It's telling homosexual people that they are in fact heterosexual, and that their bodies have to be corrected so their sexual orientation is acceptable. And it's a feature, not a bug, that that "therapy" happens to involve surgical butchery that can leave them without any sexual function, and hormonal interference that undermines their entire health.

It also requires that those homosexual people who are female learn to tolerate unwanted straight sex in order to provide men who wish to identify as women with.... well. Basically unpaid sex work. Those not up for this are shamed, excluded and threatened, so it's 'do straight sex or else'.

That's conversion therapy. In full..

But that's apparently an okay form of conversion therapy because being done by the righteous, and she's a cow who won't see that bloke as a woman so she deserves it.

RoyalCorgi · 29/06/2024 12:05

The most interesting thing about this is that Tennant clearly believes most people think like him. He no doubt thinks that calling sex-realists "whingeing fuckers" and telling Kemi Badenoch to shut up is not unlike being rude about Reform or Nigel Farage. I imagine he's been taken aback by the reaction. He probably spends so much time with others in the entertainment industry who think exactly the same as him that he has no idea that the vast majority of the population disagree with him.

Binglebong · 29/06/2024 12:04

I'm so so sorry SisterWendyBuckett. Flowers

Catsmere · 29/06/2024 11:47

@SisterWendyBuckett I am so sorry you and your family have been through this.

The outrageous thing - well, one of many - is that "transing" is the conversion therapy. It's telling homosexual people that they are in fact heterosexual, and that their bodies have to be corrected so their sexual orientation is acceptable. And it's a feature, not a bug, that that "therapy" happens to involve surgical butchery that can leave them without any sexual function, and hormonal interference that undermines their entire health.

WearyAuldWumman · 29/06/2024 11:36

NotBadConsidering · 29/06/2024 09:25

Well if the thread with the article by Helen Webberley GenderGP is anything to go by, it’s still perfectly possible to get puberty blockers one way or another, and I imagine Tennant could fly to any clinic.

Thank you for taking the time to answer.

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