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LunaNorth · 25/06/2024 15:40

INeedAPensieve · 25/06/2024 13:34

It's chilling isn't it? Yet he sees nothing wrong with saying that. I find men like this just as scary and threatening as the Andrew Tates of this world. Two sides of the same coin.

And two cheeks of the same arse.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/06/2024 15:39

Meadowwild · 25/06/2024 15:31

Me too (hashtag optional). But what is it about him? When all around me women were going dewy about those big brown eyes, I thought - but they are dead. There's no humanity in them.

What did your radar pick up? It intrigues me.

I think it might be a class thing actually! I'm from a working class immigrant background (ie my parents came to this country from another one and actually did shift work with their hands, as opposed to owning a toolmaking factory).

Good men from my class don't mince words and don't espouse trendy social movements, they tend to be hyperaware of women's vulnerability to things like DV, sexual assault etc because unfortunately these things tend to be more prevalent, or at least I guess immediately noticeable, in working class communities and workplaces. So they're quick to spot potential problems and pitfalls in woke-sounding ideas like, 'gender is nothing but a performance', or 'petty crime is a cry for help against an evil capitalist system'. And rather than reify or intellectualise an idea like that, they'll just say it's bollocks.

Whereas when I encounter middle class men with loads of degrees who call sex trafficked women 'sex workers' and say it's no different from working at McDonalds, I can just tell they're misogynist shits. They might even think they're feminists but deep down they want women to shut up and do all the hard graft whilst they have the limelight.

I have more thoughts on the many intersections between class and woke ideas/misogyny but don't want to write an essay lol.

Orrr maybe I just have a good inbuilt radar, it's a mystery lol

DramaLlamaBangBang · 25/06/2024 15:38

UtilitarianNameChange · 25/06/2024 15:13

Funny how the how ‘lefty-beardy-men-with-white-privilege-need-to-sit-down-and-listen-to-black-women’ thing falls apart as soon as a black woman says something the beardy-woke-bloke doesn’t agree with, innit?

I don't think they ever thought they needed to sit down and listen to any woman, whether they agree with them or not. More the women need to sit rapt, listening to their amazing proclamations.

CheltenhamLady · 25/06/2024 15:38

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/06/2024 15:31

Personally think part of the reason she grinds many people's gears is because she's not being the 'right sort' of black woman, and because she espouses views that apparently mean she isn't "really black" - because black people are all supposed to naturally align with the left or with Labour. She knows about Critical Race Theory but she doesn't buy it. That is not permissible, apparently

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My point was the accusation of racism against Tennant seems unfounded to me, it is the role and idealogy that he dislikes, not her race. I can't understand why the term has been used towards him. Is everyone who criticises a black person guilty of racism or can they just be guilty of having differing views? I hold no truck with DT and his views, but to say he is racist undermines the reality of the issue.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 25/06/2024 15:36

He and Georgia should not be using their primary school aged child this way. They have paraded him around in T-shirts declaring he's not straight and have banged on about him being 'non binary' as if it gives them some kind of brownie points. How does he know he's 'non binary' if he's 9? Do they parade their other kids out there, or do they think maybe sexualising their other underage children isn't that interesting, because they think they are straight?

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 15:34

Pancakefam · 25/06/2024 15:25

He sounds like he doesn't like her politics. He even says he doesn't wish her any harm. I'm quite sure white male politicians get told to shut up frequently

Apparently he's a genocidal maniac. Also heard he doesn't recycle. Who knew?!

Meadowwild · 25/06/2024 15:31

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/06/2024 15:25

Just like She Who Must Always Be Read, Andrea Dworkin, said: woke progressive leftist men and right wing ultraconservative fire n brimstone Christian men are two cheeks of the same misogynist arse.

That's not an exact (or even close) approximation of her words in her numerous insightful essays on this subject but you get the drift of her argument

Foe some reason I've always had a very good inbuilt radar for woke progressive seeming men who use that stance to cover up their inner narcissistic misogyny. I had Tennant pegged from the moment he came to my notice.

Me too (hashtag optional). But what is it about him? When all around me women were going dewy about those big brown eyes, I thought - but they are dead. There's no humanity in them.

What did your radar pick up? It intrigues me.

UpThePankhurst · 25/06/2024 15:31

Kemi reminds Labour and the Left that they only like 'minorities' as long as minorities are singing the Labour script and obediently voting for them.

That. ^^

They are all for multi culturalism, religious tolerance, disability inclusion and feminism until it gets in the way of a bloke's absolute freedom of self expression and other needs.

Then you realise these are not truly held values, and just how very, very shallow, performative and hypocritical it all is.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/06/2024 15:31

CheltenhamLady · 25/06/2024 15:21

Is the fact that she is black relevant here? I am assuming that whoever was in her role/espoused her views would receive the same ire from him?

Edited

Personally think part of the reason she grinds many people's gears is because she's not being the 'right sort' of black woman, and because she espouses views that apparently mean she isn't "really black" - because black people are all supposed to naturally align with the left or with Labour. She knows about Critical Race Theory but she doesn't buy it. That is not permissible, apparently

RoyalCorgi · 25/06/2024 15:31

The irony of the fact that he starred in a play about the rise of Nazism...

Thepurplecar · 25/06/2024 15:30

His job is to speak other people's words. He should stick to the scripts. When he allows his own words to spill out, he reveals the same repugnant views that some men have held for millennia.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/06/2024 15:29

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/06/2024 13:48

Kemi really grinds the gears of many people to the extent that Labour is trying to encourage tactical voting in order to oust her from her relatively safe seat.
She's the woman who says what she thinks and says it convincingly - and people really don't like to hear an articulate and confident black woman airing views and positions they don't like. She's a major threat and they know it.

Kemi reminds Labour and the Left that they only like 'minorities' as long as minorities are singing the Labour script and obediently voting for them.

For a similar example of this, see the Democrats' responses to the large and growing proportion of Black and Hispanic Trump supporters.

EdithStourton · 25/06/2024 15:28

I never understand why actors, artists etc spouting off about politics are taken so seriously. They can say what they would do without ever being held to account ("Ha! You're in power now! Make it happen!') and they are quite often pig ignorant about the topic in question.

And telling anyone to shut up is just bloody rude.

Brukli · 25/06/2024 15:28

I’m not a Tory and I disagree with pretty much everything Kemi B stands for politically, with the exception of her stance on sex-based rights,

However, regardless of all that, I wish dopey actors would shut the F up. Not interested in what they think.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 25/06/2024 15:28

But it's so annoying when a woman who knows exactly what she's talking about insists on telling a man who doesn't.

Kemi Badenoch has a fanclub of gay men for her stance against transitioning children. David Tennant also has a fanclub of gay men... for reasons other than his political acumen.

Jungkooky · 25/06/2024 15:28

Used to be a huge fan.

Happy now though that the dc have decided that their favourite doctor is Matt Smith and will only rewatch his episodes 😁

UpThePankhurst · 25/06/2024 15:27

I wonder how many lesbian, gay and bisexual people would wish David Tennant would stop trying to use them as a weapon to dismantle women's rights and equality in law?

Particularly the lesbian and bisexual women.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/06/2024 15:27

flyingbuttress43 · 25/06/2024 13:41

Clearly the "empathy and understanding" his brilliant wife educated him about does not extend to women. He said everyone should live the life they want "as long as they are not hurting anyone else." Obviously the "anyone else" does not include women in toilets, changing rooms, refuges, hospitals, jails, sports....The guy is really stupid isn't he?

Everyone's individual choices affect their immediate circle, wider community and ultimately society as a whole.

Those who believe that this is not true are usually neoliberal hypercapitalist folks insulated from societal consequences by their wealth and resources

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 15:27

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 25/06/2024 14:29

This is one of the strangest comments I've read on here. A feminist ??

That is being sarcastic.

He is a ‘gentle’ man but really apparently full of misogyny and anger.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/06/2024 15:26

NiceCutRoundDomeDormice · 25/06/2024 15:08

She’s a senior politician. She chose to put her head above the parapet. Would you be boo-hooing if someone had said this to Michael Gove or Jeremy Hunt?

You can’t be putting yourself forward to be Prime Minister one minute and then crying you're a poor helpless oppressed little thing the next.

I don't think she's ever claimed that she's a "poor little thing". Do you have any evidence for this?

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/06/2024 15:25

Just like She Who Must Always Be Read, Andrea Dworkin, said: woke progressive leftist men and right wing ultraconservative fire n brimstone Christian men are two cheeks of the same misogynist arse.

That's not an exact (or even close) approximation of her words in her numerous insightful essays on this subject but you get the drift of her argument

Foe some reason I've always had a very good inbuilt radar for woke progressive seeming men who use that stance to cover up their inner narcissistic misogyny. I had Tennant pegged from the moment he came to my notice.

Pancakefam · 25/06/2024 15:25

He sounds like he doesn't like her politics. He even says he doesn't wish her any harm. I'm quite sure white male politicians get told to shut up frequently

CheltenhamLady · 25/06/2024 15:21

Billyballyboo · 25/06/2024 13:58

I thought we'd moved on from privileged white men telling black women to shut up.

Is the fact that she is black relevant here? I am assuming that whoever was in her role/espoused her views would receive the same ire from him?

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 15:18

In his British LGBT Awards speech, David continued: ‘However, until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn’t exist anymore… I don’t wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up.In his British LGBT Awards speech, David continued: ‘However, until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn’t exist anymore… I don’t wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut up.

‘Right to exist’ ‘Extinguishing a trans person’s right to existence’
How often is that transactivist phrase reiterated whenever anyone expresses a concern about a policy regarding gender that might harm woman and children?

Kemi Badenoch’s right to exist, however, evidently does not count.

Since when is it all right for a public figure to stand up at an awards ceremony and feel it is justified to speak of any of anyone in these terms, let alone a public servant?

It looks like incitement and hate speech.

Or would Kier Starmer prefer to call it,
“Toxcity on both sides of the debate”?

And why? Because she is intelligent enough to understand the Equality Act, see its limitations in protecting women as intended, and try to set about making it work, in practice, just as it was intended to - indeed as Sir Kier himself maintains it does already work!

But of course we know the more likely truth, that it suits KS that doesn’t work.

Otherwise he too would need to worry about being denounced by David Tenant.

UtilitarianNameChange · 25/06/2024 15:13

Funny how the how ‘lefty-beardy-men-with-white-privilege-need-to-sit-down-and-listen-to-black-women’ thing falls apart as soon as a black woman says something the beardy-woke-bloke doesn’t agree with, innit?

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