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MaidOfAle · 25/06/2024 18:07

NiceCutRoundDomeDormice · 25/06/2024 15:08

She’s a senior politician. She chose to put her head above the parapet. Would you be boo-hooing if someone had said this to Michael Gove or Jeremy Hunt?

You can’t be putting yourself forward to be Prime Minister one minute and then crying you're a poor helpless oppressed little thing the next.

Did she actually cry anything?

All I'm seeing here is other women outraged on her behalf, and rightly. Telling any woman to shut up isn't a good look.

motheronthedancefloor · 25/06/2024 18:06

Doesn't matter what her skin colour is, or her party. You can disagree with someone but saying they shouldn't exist is crossing a line.

IGuessIllbetheFirst · 25/06/2024 18:06

Have voted labour all my life and don’t agree with Kemi’s views on other topics - but on this one, I am grateful for just how articulate she is in standing up for women’s rights.

I read a post on here a while back that said once you realise how little the left actually value women - yes, we are just great support humans for the all important men’s rights - then it is a shock and an eye opener, which you can’t then unsee. So true and so sad.

BeverForget · 25/06/2024 18:03

It's always men in skirts that have the biggest problem with women...

WickedSerious · 25/06/2024 18:02

OvaHere · 25/06/2024 17:16

I find it interesting he picked on Kemi. Yes he's a big Labour guy but he along with everyone else knows the Conservatives are unlikely to be in government next week.

I think Kemi is just a convenient substitute for the woman he'd really like to have a pop at, the one who's made countless headlines in the last week and shown Labour up to be a bunch of misogynistic twerps. The fellow Scot who just won't wheesht for Labour and might actually damage their majority a wee bit and presumably a former friend.

Come on Dave, do you dare go there?

He might as well jump into a meat grinder.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 25/06/2024 18:01

Nellieinthebarn · 25/06/2024 14:54

I don't understand what makes actors so bloody well qualified to comment.

Who are they really? just grown ups who make a living playing dress up.

If people stopped treating them like they were gods, maybe the ignorant little fuckers would stop behaving as if they are the fount of all knowledge, graciously bestowing it from on high on the poor little mortals who toil in the sun.

I think this might be pertinent here

David Tennant - Wishes Kemi B would ‘shut up’
Citrusandginger · 25/06/2024 17:59

Oh look. White man wishes black woman didn't exist.

And he thinks he's kind?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2024 17:58

OvaHere · 25/06/2024 17:16

I find it interesting he picked on Kemi. Yes he's a big Labour guy but he along with everyone else knows the Conservatives are unlikely to be in government next week.

I think Kemi is just a convenient substitute for the woman he'd really like to have a pop at, the one who's made countless headlines in the last week and shown Labour up to be a bunch of misogynistic twerps. The fellow Scot who just won't wheesht for Labour and might actually damage their majority a wee bit and presumably a former friend.

Come on Dave, do you dare go there?

Extremely astute observation.

Datun · 25/06/2024 17:54

He won't like the implications being made.

And he is utterly incapable of entering into any kind of discourse with her about it.

In all fairness, most people are.

Because Kim is right, 100% right. Women are right. There is no rational argument to be had. And he would be a fool to try it.

But he might now be goaded into the attempt because of people's reaction.

Bring it on.

Teddleshon · 25/06/2024 17:50

I can understand why race is being brought into it as he didn’t just disagree with her view, he said he wished she didn’t exist.

woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 25/06/2024 17:46

TempestTost · 25/06/2024 17:25

I think this is true.

However...

I also think that implying that Tennant, or guys like him, shouldn't disagree with her because she's black is hugely problematic, unless there is specific evidence.

He may be a twat, but he is allowed to agree with a member of the government on policy, and in a robust way, whatever her sex or race. He shouldn't need to pussyfoot around it with her any more than with someone like Nigel Farage.

I am all for calling out their CRT hypocrisy when appropriate, but I don't believe in ID politics so I am not going to use them as a tool to criticize others'actions.

Kemi and the black community are calling this out as a racist attack, perhaps you should listen to black women before wading in 😒

David Tennant - Wishes Kemi B would ‘shut up’
David Tennant - Wishes Kemi B would ‘shut up’
SlipperyLizard · 25/06/2024 17:46

What a horrible man. Just because he has a “non-binary” child he thinks he can publicly wish a prominent female politician was dead?

Misogynist prick.

Justme56 · 25/06/2024 17:45

I didn't realise that Tennent once played a TW (Davina in Rab C Nesbitt). Do wonder how that would go down today?

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DramaLlamaBangBang · 25/06/2024 17:44

TempestTost · 25/06/2024 17:25

I think this is true.

However...

I also think that implying that Tennant, or guys like him, shouldn't disagree with her because she's black is hugely problematic, unless there is specific evidence.

He may be a twat, but he is allowed to agree with a member of the government on policy, and in a robust way, whatever her sex or race. He shouldn't need to pussyfoot around it with her any more than with someone like Nigel Farage.

I am all for calling out their CRT hypocrisy when appropriate, but I don't believe in ID politics so I am not going to use them as a tool to criticize others'actions.

I think the optics of publicly wishing a financial, and a Black woman should shut up and ' not exist' is terrible, especially as a White man. He didn't argue with her or debate with her, he said she should not exist, and seemingly had no concept of why that would look bad. He has played right into her hands in his desperation to silence anyone who disagrees with transing children and has got a well deserved slapdown.

OvaHere · 25/06/2024 17:43

Datun · 25/06/2024 17:29

Yeah, doesn't wish ill on her, but wishes she didn't exist. It's about as coherent as the ideology he supports.

Wishing a black, female politician, standing up for women's rights, didn't exist, and parading your nine-year-old trans child around, is not an optic that is going to wear well, in my opinion.

Which ever way you look at it, it's not what I would call the right side of history.

I can't wait for JKR to comment.

What's the betting that when it comes to her, he's the one who'll shut up.

It's very stupid of such a prominent figure to choose his words so carelessly in light of political violence and violent rhetoric that many MPs face no matter which party or views they represent.

Saying shut up is one thing but wishing her to not exist is a step too far. Imagine if some lunatic took him at his word. It's dangerously close to 'will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?'

Mumoftwo1316 · 25/06/2024 17:41

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I wanted to be an X-man with mutant powers.

Which just goes to show tbh.

Absolutelyfractious · 25/06/2024 17:34

That's literally all they've got.

'SHUT UP'

Seriously, that's it. Nothing more. Shut up you stupid, inconvenient Karens.

TempestTost · 25/06/2024 17:33

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 17:26

KB just chucked that back at him because it is his own world view and supposed values - she is a very capable and strong woman who knows what she's about.

I imagine that's so, but I think it's very unwise.

Windymoore · 25/06/2024 17:33

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/06/2024 13:48

Kemi really grinds the gears of many people to the extent that Labour is trying to encourage tactical voting in order to oust her from her relatively safe seat.
She's the woman who says what she thinks and says it convincingly - and people really don't like to hear an articulate and confident black woman airing views and positions they don't like. She's a major threat and they know it.

I do hope she's not 'Portilo-ed': parliament needs her

Datun · 25/06/2024 17:29

MimiGC · 25/06/2024 17:09

That was a long pause - after he said he wished she didn't exist anymore. I expect he realised that what he had said sounded terrible, so he added the next backtracking bit about not wishing ill of her.

Yeah, doesn't wish ill on her, but wishes she didn't exist. It's about as coherent as the ideology he supports.

Wishing a black, female politician, standing up for women's rights, didn't exist, and parading your nine-year-old trans child around, is not an optic that is going to wear well, in my opinion.

Which ever way you look at it, it's not what I would call the right side of history.

I can't wait for JKR to comment.

What's the betting that when it comes to her, he's the one who'll shut up.

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 17:26

TempestTost · 25/06/2024 17:25

I think this is true.

However...

I also think that implying that Tennant, or guys like him, shouldn't disagree with her because she's black is hugely problematic, unless there is specific evidence.

He may be a twat, but he is allowed to agree with a member of the government on policy, and in a robust way, whatever her sex or race. He shouldn't need to pussyfoot around it with her any more than with someone like Nigel Farage.

I am all for calling out their CRT hypocrisy when appropriate, but I don't believe in ID politics so I am not going to use them as a tool to criticize others'actions.

KB just chucked that back at him because it is his own world view and supposed values - she is a very capable and strong woman who knows what she's about.

tobee · 25/06/2024 17:25

David Tennant says he has "a skin in the game" and that it's " family."

David I have a fucking skin in the game as I am a woman. It's also family for me as I have a daughter. Why is your skin in the game more important than mine?

Do not agree with Badenoch on most things but I do not want her to shut up.

ManyATrueWord · 25/06/2024 17:25

Dave Tennant is anti women's rights and he tells a black woman to shut up? Funny that.

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 17:25

OvaHere · 25/06/2024 17:16

I find it interesting he picked on Kemi. Yes he's a big Labour guy but he along with everyone else knows the Conservatives are unlikely to be in government next week.

I think Kemi is just a convenient substitute for the woman he'd really like to have a pop at, the one who's made countless headlines in the last week and shown Labour up to be a bunch of misogynistic twerps. The fellow Scot who just won't wheesht for Labour and might actually damage their majority a wee bit and presumably a former friend.

Come on Dave, do you dare go there?

He may have no choice as he has now firmly planted himself on her radar I would have thought - I hope that she goes for him because it would be well deserved. Twitter could get interesting!
What a complete prick he is.

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