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AtrociousCircumstance · 25/06/2024 21:38

Pathetic, entitled, arrogant man - amongst so many others.

Absolutelyfractious · 25/06/2024 21:37

15 years ago, his kid would've just been some beautiful misfit, running around with all the other misfits, maybe eventually starting a band, going to gigs, getting a piercing or tattoo.

These days, all these kinds of kids join the alphabet tribe and some of their parents, instead of raising an eyebrow and letting it run it's course get all virtuous and 'educated' and sanctimonious.

And start to tell everyone to 'shut up'.

Like we couldn't possibly understand what's going on.

No, we know only too well and we have something to say about it too.

MaidOfAle · 25/06/2024 21:26

woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 25/06/2024 19:34

There's going to be a lot of disappointed Dr Who fans now he's exposed himself as a racist bigot, I imagine they'll be meetings at the BBC tomorrow reguarding pulling his episodes from iPlayer.

😂

woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 25/06/2024 21:20

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 25/06/2024 20:48

"Until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore..." is ABSOLUTELY wishing her harm.

Exactly, he wants a black woman dead.

ScrapeMyArse · 25/06/2024 21:20

I'm further left than most of the labour party.

But I'm over the tribalism. It is far too close to the bigotry we're trying to get rid of.

I don't agree with most of Kemi's politics (except women's rights) but I strongly support her right to speak, to not shut up, and to be an MP.

I want a socialist government.

I don't want a state where dissenting thought is silenced.

Immigration is mentioned upthread. Immigration is my favourite thing about the city I live in. Do you all seriously believe that these diverse people from all over the world agree with every one of your political ideas?! Of course they don't. Do you want them to shut up too?

You cannot claim to embrace diversity whilst advocating for a totalitarian state or a curtain twitching postcard perfect village which repels difference.

TempestTost · 25/06/2024 21:19

In what way are her views on immigration bigoted? I'm not surprised that political progressives would disagree, but bigoted means something else imo.

UtilitarianNameChange · 25/06/2024 21:18

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 21:05

Her views on colonisation and institutionalised racism are interesting.

What, that continuing to blame historical colonialism for problems in the present day infantilises the non-white people that live, work, vote in and run those former colonial countries and that people who do this are (probably) motivated by the soft bigotry of low expectations?

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 21:05

Equanimitas · 25/06/2024 21:03

To be fair, Kemi Badenoch has been a thoroughly incompetent Minister with some very unpleasantly bigoted views on immigration. He's not the only one who's had more than enough of her.

Her views on colonisation and institutionalised racism are interesting.

Equanimitas · 25/06/2024 21:03

To be fair, Kemi Badenoch has been a thoroughly incompetent Minister with some very unpleasantly bigoted views on immigration. He's not the only one who's had more than enough of her.

cupcaske123 · 25/06/2024 21:02

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2024 20:30

There are plenty of people saying this about Corbyn, Galloway, Farage and all sorts of other politicians with strong divisive opinions. Are you really saying that we should abolish freedom of speech for those we disagree with? What about debating the issues instead, and using facts to support our positions? Simply telling people to shut up does very little to change hearts and minds, quite the contrary, actually.

Are you really saying that we should abolish freedom of speech

This thread is something else.

Earlier someone was accused of wanting to murder Jo Cox. I'd like a lot of Tories to disappear. I should probably hand myself into the police.

Anyone would think this place was full of Tory shills. Cognitive Goliath JFC

BackToLurk · 25/06/2024 20:59

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/06/2024 20:47

So? If he was their mum would he be getting this praise?!

In name, but not with any effective power. I mean, what does he think she’s going to do in little over a week.

Obviously this reply is in the wrong place

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 20:57

Donotneedit · 25/06/2024 20:25

Oh give over, kemi B is bloody awful, he’s right she should shut up

🙄

LondonLass61 · 25/06/2024 20:57

IGuessIllbetheFirst · 25/06/2024 18:06

Have voted labour all my life and don’t agree with Kemi’s views on other topics - but on this one, I am grateful for just how articulate she is in standing up for women’s rights.

I read a post on here a while back that said once you realise how little the left actually value women - yes, we are just great support humans for the all important men’s rights - then it is a shock and an eye opener, which you can’t then unsee. So true and so sad.

I agree. I'll never be a Tory and could also never be a socialist because of the ones in my family. Also many (male dominated) unions have failed to support women in the past as there is, I believe a perception that men's jobs are more important.

ActivePeony · 25/06/2024 20:55

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/06/2024 20:10

Kemi's 'blackness' and her lack of conformity with progressive leftist expectations of 'blackness' serve to heighten the antipathy towards her in my view. It is not out and out racism, but some of the roots of that antipathy do lie in the fact that she is race non conforming acording to articles of faith on the Left. Tribal leftists seriously don't like their identified victim classes to step outside of their assigned lane; plus, of course, she is a powerful speaker and orator in defence of what she believes.

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Yes.

IwantToRetire · 25/06/2024 20:55

Gender non-conforming word for father - spunking parent?

I nearly choked myself I had such a spontaneous both good (humour) and bad (the mind boggles) response.

Thanks!

LunaNorth · 25/06/2024 20:54

IwantToRetire · 25/06/2024 20:51

What is all this whatabouterry

The issue is a white male with and extensive media platform telling a Black women to shut up AND disappear.

Loathsome unnecessagy and both racist and misogynistic.

Making packed lunches for this children doesn't absolve him.

At a time female polticians are facing abuse and voilence, how could anyone in their right mind think this is the standard of "debate" we need. Lets hope it doesn't come back to bite him.

And also abusing the platform of his work that gives him a link to media amplification to make a personal attack.

If he wants to masturbate his ego in public so he can say what a good daddy he is (what is the gender non conforming word for father?) he could have made a clear and well thought out speech in support for trans rights. I suspect he targetted her because we all know she has made, and would have made without a GE being called now, advances on clarifying the EA.

Can you imagine the ridicule a female star would have got for making that sort of remark at an awards ceremony.

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Gender non-conforming word for father - spunking parent?

IwantToRetire · 25/06/2024 20:51

What is all this whatabouterry

The issue is a white male with and extensive media platform telling a Black women to shut up AND disappear.

Loathsome unnecessagy and both racist and misogynistic.

Making packed lunches for this children doesn't absolve him.

At a time female polticians are facing abuse and voilence, how could anyone in their right mind think this is the standard of "debate" we need. Lets hope it doesn't come back to bite him.

And also abusing the platform of his work that gives him a link to media amplification to make a personal attack.

If he wants to masturbate his ego in public so he can say what a good daddy he is (what is the gender non conforming word for father?) he could have made a clear and well thought out speech in support for trans rights. I suspect he targetted her because we all know she has made, and would have made without a GE being called now, advances on clarifying the EA.

Can you imagine the ridicule a female star would have got for making that sort of remark at an awards ceremony.

ArabellaScott · 25/06/2024 20:51

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 20:32

Yes. In that speech clip he said “ It’s a family affair. We have skin in the game.”

To say that in a big speech is definitely drawing attention towards the little boy as the focus point for the whole family’s identity.

Posting publically about your kid is a risky idea as an average person, let alone as a person with a sizeable audience.

Posting deeply personal, politically loaded stuff about your kid, as a recognised person in the public eye, seems reckless in the extreme.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 25/06/2024 20:51

Or white men, or men at all. No Nigel Farage, no Rishi Sunak? They can exist as long as they like.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 25/06/2024 20:49

CheltenhamLady · 25/06/2024 15:21

Is the fact that she is black relevant here? I am assuming that whoever was in her role/espoused her views would receive the same ire from him?

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There are a hell of a lot of white women who agree with her, and yet he didn't mention any of them, did he?

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 25/06/2024 20:48

Pancakefam · 25/06/2024 15:25

He sounds like he doesn't like her politics. He even says he doesn't wish her any harm. I'm quite sure white male politicians get told to shut up frequently

"Until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn't exist anymore..." is ABSOLUTELY wishing her harm.

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 25/06/2024 20:47

BoudiccaOfSuburbia · 25/06/2024 20:38

I am not defending him over this, but I have had occasion to see DT at work, and it being half term he brought them with him, looked after them well all day, gave them a packed lunch he had brought for them, didn’t expect anyone else around to help in any way. (Wasn’t a filming day)

So? If he was their mum would he be getting this praise?!

JanesLittleGirl · 25/06/2024 20:45

BackToLurk · 25/06/2024 20:03

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but KB isn’t even in government any more. It’s like he wrote the speech before the GE was called and wasn’t smart enough to write a new one.

Not trying to justify DT in any way (I think that he is a complete crown and anchor) but while KB isn't a MP at the moment, she is still a government minister.

BoudiccaOfSuburbia · 25/06/2024 20:38

Meadowwild · 25/06/2024 15:01

You are absolutely right. He gives me the creeps. Always has. He always seemed to be performing 'what a nice guy I am'.

This is judgemental but when I saw his wife in that lockdown show they did, I thought, I've got the measure of you: child-faced little blonde, 13 years his junior, way less successful but from good acting aristocracy. He's off filming all over the place while she wrangles their five kids. I've met a few men like him before, and they all play nice but underneath they are utterly self-serving, so they require women to be biddable and pliant.

I am not defending him over this, but I have had occasion to see DT at work, and it being half term he brought them with him, looked after them well all day, gave them a packed lunch he had brought for them, didn’t expect anyone else around to help in any way. (Wasn’t a filming day)

ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 20:32

MrRydersParlourGame · 25/06/2024 16:50

I do worry about the children of parents who very publicly hang their hat and credentials on having a trans child.

The implicit pressure for that child never to desist risks being immense.

Yes. In that speech clip he said “ It’s a family affair. We have skin in the game.”

To say that in a big speech is definitely drawing attention towards the little boy as the focus point for the whole family’s identity.

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