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ThePoshUns · 26/06/2024 09:30

When someone shows you who they are believe them. Who the hell does he think he is?

SiriAlexa · 26/06/2024 09:29

What is also appalling is the cheers from the audience when he said those words. Racist, misogynistic and so arrogant!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/06/2024 09:23

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:18

I've already answered the question. As you were.

No you haven't. You've deflected with PA rubbish. I'm used to that tactic and can spot it a mile off, DM used it all the time. It meant that she didn't have an answer and was just ranting (pretty much par for the course with DM).

Kucinghitam · 26/06/2024 09:22

I'm so very educated by the Righteous responses, especially this morning's explanations and deflections. Please, keep going. You are doing sterling work for The Right Side of History.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 09:20

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:17

She's a cognitive Goliath. She should have replaced the Queen. In fact Charles is racist for not not giving her the opportunity.

The Conservatives are racist and woman hating for not appointing her as leader. Her constituents are racist for not thinking much of her. They probably abuse their children too.

The woman can't put a step wrong.

Not an answer just PA response

RoyalCorgi · 26/06/2024 09:20

Ah, he always used to come across as a lovely warm person.

I think attacking an individual personally - rather than their opinions - is almost always a bad idea. It's bad because it suggests you're not a very nice person and it also suggests that you are not able to argue your case on its own merits.

Does it matter that Kemi Badenoch is a black woman? Would it have been OK if he'd attacked a white man? Well, no, it wouldn't have been OK if he'd made the same unpleasant remarks about (say) Jeremy Hunt. But yes, it does look worse when it's a Black woman, because of the long historical tradition of men trying to silence women (witch trials etc) and of white people persecuting Black people, through slavery, violence, rape and denying them basic civil rights. That's the context that makes a white man telling a Black woman to shut up particularly grotesque.

It's interesting that an apparently intelligent person like Tennant couldn't see that.

yourhairiswinterfire · 26/06/2024 09:19

mrstrickland · 26/06/2024 08:07

It's like a watching a pack of hyenas on this thread. Do any of you think for yourselves?

(have none of you ever told someone to shut up before.....?)

How patronising. Just because the majority on this thread have an opinion that you don't share, doesn't mean posters aren't thinking for themselves.

A man singled out a woman and stated he wants her to 'not exist' anymore because she has different opinions and politics to him. His mask slipped and people are obviously going to react to that, it just won't all be fawning and applause he desperately craves.

Equanimitas · 26/06/2024 09:19

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 09:02

can those who loathe Kemi and what she stands for, say what they loathe?

Support for leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, for one. It's just extraordinary that any government minister should support our leaving the convention we were largely responsible for bringing into being. The sheer dishonesty involved in doing this just because the European Court might rightly find the Rwanda legislation to be contrary to convention rights is mind-blowing. It also has serious implications for women's rights.

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:18

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/06/2024 09:17

Passive aggressive snark aside, what's the issue with her?

I've already answered the question. As you were.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/06/2024 09:17

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:09

She's a cognitive Goliath and anyone who says otherwise is racist and wants her dead hates women and abuses their kids!

David Tennant wants all black women to DIE!

Let the feeding frenzy continue.

Passive aggressive snark aside, what's the issue with her?

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:17

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 09:12

And your answer to the question?

She's a cognitive Goliath. She should have replaced the Queen. In fact Charles is racist for not not giving her the opportunity.

The Conservatives are racist and woman hating for not appointing her as leader. Her constituents are racist for not thinking much of her. They probably abuse their children too.

The woman can't put a step wrong.

WickedSerious · 26/06/2024 09:16

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:09

She's a cognitive Goliath and anyone who says otherwise is racist and wants her dead hates women and abuses their kids!

David Tennant wants all black women to DIE!

Let the feeding frenzy continue.

Wrong thread?

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 09:12

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:09

She's a cognitive Goliath and anyone who says otherwise is racist and wants her dead hates women and abuses their kids!

David Tennant wants all black women to DIE!

Let the feeding frenzy continue.

And your answer to the question?

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 09:09

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 09:02

can those who loathe Kemi and what she stands for, say what they loathe?

She's a cognitive Goliath and anyone who says otherwise is racist and wants her dead hates women and abuses their kids!

David Tennant wants all black women to DIE!

Let the feeding frenzy continue.

TWETMIRF · 26/06/2024 09:08

It's funny how the TRAs say that we deny their existence when all the death threats come from their side. Saying that he wishes she doesn't exist is just more of the same hypocrisy of accusing us of doing what they are.

Mylovelygreendress · 26/06/2024 09:05

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 09:02

can those who loathe Kemi and what she stands for, say what they loathe?

I don’t want to think it’s because she is a WOC but rather that she is a Tory and they are the scum of the earth according to MN

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/06/2024 09:03

From the Times :

"Kemi Badenoch has said that she will not “shut up” over the rights of women after David Tennant said he wished she did not exist"

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-david-tennant-shut-up-trans-labour-nrws0dbmk

sundaysathome · 26/06/2024 09:02

can those who loathe Kemi and what she stands for, say what they loathe?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/06/2024 09:01

IwantToRetire · 25/06/2024 20:25

Okey dokey wokey blokey

Oh yes! Could we have a thread with this as the title?

Not just to list those in the public eye, but some we have to contend with in our own lives. May have to omit names of last group but some indication of the context.

I can't claim credit for this one, but the sound appealed to me, and it seemed apt in this case. No copyright, so fill yer boots.

GlomOfNit · 26/06/2024 08:58

I loathe a lot of what KB has said and stands for: the fact that on extreme gender ideology she is sensible is as unremarkable as agreeing with a far right-winger that the sky is very blue this morning. She comes at this issue from a different direction from me (I assume) and for different reasons - courting the conservative family values part of the electorate and her party being the main one.

But. There is something really distasteful about a privileged man telling a woman to shut up. More so when it's a black woman in politics (I know KB comes from a very privileged background herself but we are kidding ourselves if we pretend it isn't double the struggle to get to that sort of position if you're a woman AND black). To say - even if he could discount it as a figure of speech - that actually he'd rather she didn't exist at all, is appalling. He needs to step back and take a look at what he's saying.

I think whatever is going on with one of his children is something he should be keeping private and in the family, given the age of the child. If it really IS the 9 year old, then by now and at this stage, post-Cass, surely most sensible parents would be thinking very carefully about how to proceed? His 9 year old may not thank him and Georgia Tennant for all this enthusiastic flag-waving and cookie-scoring when they're a bit older. Sad

TWETMIRF · 26/06/2024 08:53

His father was a priest, I thought christians were supposed to love thy neighbour. Seems to be love thy neighbour unless they think the wrong thoughts in which case they become subhuman and then anything goes

PurpleWhiteGreen123 · 26/06/2024 08:49

I ignore people I don't like on social media. I prefer not to add oxygen to these utter morons. It's all about likes and online engagement these days. Best to scroll on by.

BiggerBoat1 · 26/06/2024 08:49

He definitely got the tone wrong but I agree that Kemi B is dreadful and I too would be pleased never to hear her opinions again.
This is not a racist attack though - it’s an attack on her views which is valid. The language was wrong though and I hope he apologises.

ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 08:49

ArabellaScott · 26/06/2024 08:48

Pack of hyenas is a new one, I think. Usually, we're called 'vipers'.

I suppose these are all general alternatives to 'bitches' or 'cows'.