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EasternStandard · 27/06/2024 07:43

Yes adults will double down. There are a sizeable portion in the media or politics who have pushed gender ideology

As Cass and other reviews show harms they will find it hard to take and lash out

NotNo · 27/06/2024 07:41

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RedToothBrush · 27/06/2024 05:35

The problem with Tennant is if he does anything different, it's an admission of his failure.

The Cass Review effectively raises questions about parents of trans-identifying children, especially prepubescent one, who decide to affirm without question. It casts the lens of safeguarding over him.

So instead he's doubled down. Which isn't that surprising. It's a Susie Green style response.

What is shocking is he chooses to say that sex doesn't matter and gender does, to an audience of Lesbians and Gays, whilst claiming to be an ally. So we have the question 'what is a homosexual?' in addition to 'what is a woman?'. And his comments, which he knows are going to encourage abuse, are directed at a black woman. Because well, she's a Conservative so she deserves it. The optics on this are utterly appalling to anyone paying attention.

And you start to wonder why the child of a man so wonderfully sexist, homophobic, ageist and racist in the most inclusive and left wing of ways might seek to transition because, well being a woman is just a costume and it's all about sexist stereotypes and anyone who thinks differently - or can quite from an independent health review or research - is a bigot and should be erased.

Tennant, who is 14 years older than his wife who he met on set whilst she was playing his daughter, thinks this act of virtue signalling makes him look inclusive and accepting.

I'm thinking, naaaa not really mate. It's just drawing attention to the fact that you aren't as clued up as you think and there's something not terribly ok with this.

There's no such thing as a vegan cat. Just militant vegan owners.

Helleofabore · 27/06/2024 02:52

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2024 01:12

That cartoon is rather good!!

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2024 01:12

Brendan in the Times

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/david-tennants-attack-on-kemi-badenoch-was-plain-boorish-khcngzbfc

https://archive.ph/QmNKH trans wally

But I think this 👇 was in the Telegraph.

David Tennant - Wishes Kemi B would ‘shut up’
dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 27/06/2024 00:24

ilovesushi · 26/06/2024 22:00

Someone may already have linked to it, but I thought the Telegraph podcast coverage was great.

The woman, Camilla, was excellent, the bloke (missed his name) was ok but did anyone else notice that whilst Camilla was talking about women's rights, the man kept on changing the subject to trans?

And it irritated me how he talked with concern about trans vulnerabilities without realising that the TRA affirmative approach has literally lead to child experimentation and sterilisation (see Cass review). Which side is doing the most harm to 'trans' people? Not women who simply want single sex spaces.

There seem to be vanishingly few men with a decent grasp of this issue and who don't just unquestioningly accept the framing by other men, whilst disregarding women's views.

Camilla was excellent though. Hopefully she'll have a word off camera (though of course she's not a man so...).

Catsmere · 26/06/2024 23:35

Nellieinthebarn · 25/06/2024 14:54

I don't understand what makes actors so bloody well qualified to comment.

Who are they really? just grown ups who make a living playing dress up.

If people stopped treating them like they were gods, maybe the ignorant little fuckers would stop behaving as if they are the fount of all knowledge, graciously bestowing it from on high on the poor little mortals who toil in the sun.

Being grown ups who make a living playing dress up makes them the same as the men they're so eager to defend, doesn't it ...

lcakethereforeIam · 26/06/2024 23:16

Daily Telegraph has done a little biography

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/26/david-tennant-kemi-badenoch-trans-row/

https://archive.ph/EYNix if you want to read it, you'll have to go through the paywall

It says he has 'the courage of his convictions'. But really, how much courage does it take to espouse those fashionable beliefs in the circles he moves in? Courage would have been him saying (while accepting his award perhaps), something nice about JKR. Even prefacing it with 'I don't agree with her but...', he'd see those cheers turn to boos and jeers. Let's see him wear an adult human female t shirt in public, just briefly. Or, in his podcast, invite someone from LGB Alliance for a chat. Acknowledge that the Cass report need taking seriously? Nah, never happen, he doesn't have the bottle.

TempestTost · 26/06/2024 23:15

INeedAPensieve · 26/06/2024 22:41

Well that's solidified my decision to stop reading and buying the Guardian. Bloody hell those comments!!! 😳 I reported one as it said that they would have gone much further than what David Tennant did and it was definitely hateful and incitement to violence. Doubt the moderators will take it down though. This was my paper for years and years and years.

Jeez it's just so depressing. How are they any different to the Daily Mail????

The Daily Mail is nothing like The Guardian, it has the highest % of female readers of ant paper, and takes it's reporting on women's issues really seriously, and has done so for decades.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/06/2024 22:48

I bloody loved the Goodies, used to like the Guardian too. You used to get intelligent and interesting comments from the readers. If that's the standard nowadays I can see why they rarely allow comments. I'm embarrassed for them.

Incidentally, did you notice at the start of the Daily T segment on DT, in the background they were playing 'Man, I feel like a woman' 😃

INeedAPensieve · 26/06/2024 22:45

teawamutu · 26/06/2024 22:42

They identify as The Goodies. It's amazing what you can give yourself permission to do when you know you're one of The Goodies.

How long I wonder will it take before the scales fall and they all finally realise how they are coming across?

Baddie GIF by Giphy QA
teawamutu · 26/06/2024 22:42

INeedAPensieve · 26/06/2024 22:41

Well that's solidified my decision to stop reading and buying the Guardian. Bloody hell those comments!!! 😳 I reported one as it said that they would have gone much further than what David Tennant did and it was definitely hateful and incitement to violence. Doubt the moderators will take it down though. This was my paper for years and years and years.

Jeez it's just so depressing. How are they any different to the Daily Mail????

They identify as The Goodies. It's amazing what you can give yourself permission to do when you know you're one of The Goodies.

Yampy · 26/06/2024 22:42

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 22:33

They're obviously all dreadful wacists. I wouldn't take a peek outside your echo chamber. You'll find out that she's not all that popular. Yeah I know! They're all woman hating wacists. They can't see Kemi for the cognitive Goliath she truly is.

Wacists? Fecking demented you are.

INeedAPensieve · 26/06/2024 22:41

Well that's solidified my decision to stop reading and buying the Guardian. Bloody hell those comments!!! 😳 I reported one as it said that they would have gone much further than what David Tennant did and it was definitely hateful and incitement to violence. Doubt the moderators will take it down though. This was my paper for years and years and years.

Jeez it's just so depressing. How are they any different to the Daily Mail????

Thelnebriati · 26/06/2024 22:36

She's the Minister for Women and Equalities and thats why he targeted her. While Tennant thinks its OK to wear a T-shirt that says 'you'll have to go through me' he doesn't think women should have the same protection.

UtilitarianNameChange · 26/06/2024 22:36

Being ‘unpopular’ doesn’t justify calling someone an ‘arsehole’.

And it certainly doesn’t display a wit so sparkling it needs copy-pasting from The Guardian to Mumsnet.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:35

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 22:33

They're obviously all dreadful wacists. I wouldn't take a peek outside your echo chamber. You'll find out that she's not all that popular. Yeah I know! They're all woman hating wacists. They can't see Kemi for the cognitive Goliath she truly is.

‘Wacist’

🤔

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 22:33

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:29

Well I’m not surprised that comment section is particularly grim wrt a black female politician

They're obviously all dreadful wacists. I wouldn't take a peek outside your echo chamber. You'll find out that she's not all that popular. Yeah I know! They're all woman hating wacists. They can't see Kemi for the cognitive Goliath she truly is.

UtilitarianNameChange · 26/06/2024 22:31

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 22:24

I thought they were great. I particularly liked this one:

He's not criticising you because you're a black woman Kemi. He's criticising you because you're an arsehole.

What exactly did you like about it?

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:29

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 22:28

Yes. The comments section in the above article.

Well I’m not surprised that comment section is particularly grim wrt a black female politician

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 22:28

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:27

Where’s this from The Guardian?

Yes. The comments section in the above article.

EasternStandard · 26/06/2024 22:27

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 22:24

I thought they were great. I particularly liked this one:

He's not criticising you because you're a black woman Kemi. He's criticising you because you're an arsehole.

Where’s this from The Guardian?

cupcaske123 · 26/06/2024 22:24

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 26/06/2024 22:21

Those comments are pretty nasty Confused

I thought they were great. I particularly liked this one:

He's not criticising you because you're a black woman Kemi. He's criticising you because you're an arsehole.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 26/06/2024 22:21

Those comments are pretty nasty Confused

MugPlate · 26/06/2024 22:07

Thought I’d find out more about this story so I clicked on this Guardian article.
I have never read such a huge quantity of hateful comments about anyone in my life. (TBH though I don’t go on sports sections or reddit so maybe this is normal now?)

I genuinely think now that if someone was physically violent against her there would be an outpouring of joy and elation from Labour supporters.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jun/26/uk-general-election-live-updates-tories-labour-betting-scandal#comments

David Tennant should have been more respectful when criticising Badenoch over LGBT views, says Starmer – as it happened

‘I think it’s right that we have these robust discussions, but we must do it respectfully,’ Starmer said

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jun/26/uk-general-election-live-updates-tories-labour-betting-scandal#comments

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