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Have you spoilt your ballot? A thread to indicate numbers

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Chrysanthemum5 · 25/06/2024 09:33

Hi all
I've just posted my vote. I live in a constituency where the incumbent has a big majority, and will win again. He is the only one people have posters up for, the only one really sending out leaflets etc everyone else has given up. He is Labour, and full on TWAW, insists there is no conflict with women's rights and refused to talk to me about this issue. The other candidates are the usual mix of Tory and Greens with a sprinkling of independents and Reform.

Politically speaking I am Labour, and always have been. But their attitude towards the rights of women is shocking. To be fair I grew up in a family heavily involved in unions so I always knew the unions were misogynistic but Labour seemed ok. Not any more.

If you have spoilt your ballot it would be interesting to know so that we can see (and maybe politicians can see) what women are thinking

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ScrollingLeaves · 25/06/2024 23:37

Blackcats7 · 25/06/2024 22:11

I really don’t think spoiling your ballot paper achieves anything at all. Whoever gets in will be in power another five years so I hardly think that in five years time your spoilt ballots will be changing anything. The important thing is to remove the tories before the nhs, housing, education etc are further destroyed. These issues affect us even more than men in frocks. The fight for women's rights can continue post election.
The tories have been in power 14 years and only now do a few speak up about the trans issue. Hardly gives me confidence that they alone can support women.
I read a post a few days ago which said something like spoiling your vote/ refusing to vote is like shitting the bed in protest and then realising you still have to sleep in it.

No, it really is not only now.

Only now, in the last two days though have some specific Kier Starmer lies been revealed.

RantyRantington · 25/06/2024 22:31

I suppose being accused of shitting in the bed is a new one for the bingo card.

Why should I vote for Labour who can tell me all about the rights they intend to bring in for one group of people, but not reassure me about my own and that of fifty percent of the population?

Labour have been shitting in MY bed for some time now and I've had enough of waiting for them to clear their shit up. Unless they get their act together pretty damn quick they can fuck off.

Blackcats7 · 25/06/2024 22:11

I really don’t think spoiling your ballot paper achieves anything at all. Whoever gets in will be in power another five years so I hardly think that in five years time your spoilt ballots will be changing anything. The important thing is to remove the tories before the nhs, housing, education etc are further destroyed. These issues affect us even more than men in frocks. The fight for women's rights can continue post election.
The tories have been in power 14 years and only now do a few speak up about the trans issue. Hardly gives me confidence that they alone can support women.
I read a post a few days ago which said something like spoiling your vote/ refusing to vote is like shitting the bed in protest and then realising you still have to sleep in it.

WakingtheWitch · 25/06/2024 21:20

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 20:17

Because a spoiled ballot gives no indication of views whatsoever. Voting for a party that came fourth does.

I think the opposite argument could also be made. A spoiled ballot indicates that the voter felt no confidence in any of the candidates. Whereas a vote for the Greens, or Reform or whatever your protest choice, is an endorsement their policies and might give a false indication of your views.

The only useful purpose a vote for a minor party serves is a tactical one to try to keep a particular party from gaining a marginal seat.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 21:14

Yes but what I mean is it’s known that enough people voted for the fourth party to make them fourth, iyswim?

BackToLurk · 25/06/2024 21:03

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 20:17

Because a spoiled ballot gives no indication of views whatsoever. Voting for a party that came fourth does.

No it doesn’t. It’s a secret ballot. All anyone knows is whether you turned up or not. Parties know pensioners turn up, so they bother trying to appeal to them. If you spoil your vote, you’re marked on the register as having turned up

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 25/06/2024 21:00

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 09:52

but you haven't though. You have voted for the "spoilt ballot" pile. The most meaningless, and inconsequential of all the piles in the count.

Why didn't you vote Green, or something? At least that shows up as a voter who cares about the environment. Spoilt ballots don't show up as caring about anything at all

The Greens are even worse than Labour. They have suspended lifelong environmental campaigners who dared to deny that TWAW. The Earth deserves so much better.

UtopiaPlanitia · 25/06/2024 20:49

I know this isn’t the point of the thread 😬 but I want to say I’m envious of how simple it is to arrange a postal vote in GB.

Over here in N Ireland we have to have either medical evidence or a statement from an employer to say why we can’t attend a polling station in person AND we also have to get our postal vote application form witnessed and co-signed by someone from a small list of professions.

On election day we have to bring photo ID + polling card to the polling station too.

So, at any rate, I have until the 4th (when I go to the polling station) to make up my mind who I can bring myself to vote for or to decide if I’ll spoil my vote.

It’s been very interesting reading everyone’s comments.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 20:17

Because a spoiled ballot gives no indication of views whatsoever. Voting for a party that came fourth does.

BackToLurk · 25/06/2024 20:11

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 20:06

if women don't vote their needs will be ignored“

They’ll be ignored if they spoil their ballots, too.

How will someone who spoils their ballot be ignored more than someone who, for example, votes for a party that comes fourth in their constituency with a few hundred votes?

Ramblingnamechanger · 25/06/2024 20:11

2 spoiled postal votes on their way . One with None written across it and the other with None of these reflect my views and if you want my ex respect my sex. If POW had a candidate I would have voted for them. I will not vote for the party that have totally fucked up. I will not vote for someone who thinks it is fine to put men in women’s prisons and who will not reply to my emails.
It has been suggested in some of the media that many women will be spoiling, so there may be more scrutiny on numbers this time round.
where I live there may be as many as 26 or more different parties putting up a list. Plus one blank sheet to indicate none. And usually at least two feminist parties. And there is a bigger turnout than in the uk usually.

Twoshoesnewshoes · 25/06/2024 20:09

Okay, I like the idea of a joined up campaign.
how about the female symbol, with an ‘x’
in red?
it may be more likely to be reported on if it’s clearly a theme.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 20:06

if women don't vote their needs will be ignored“

They’ll be ignored if they spoil their ballots, too.

Hyperions · 25/06/2024 20:03

The reason why pensioners are acknowledged by political parties is because they always vote.
the reason why homeless people and prisoners are ignored is because they don't vote.
if women don't vote their needs will be ignored

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/06/2024 20:02

ResisterRex

Than what?
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A country where children in distress are immediately affirmed rather than the reasons for their distress explored?
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A country where parents of children in distress are criminalised for seeking to understand the reasons why their child is having trouble?
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A country where gay minors are set on irreversible pathways? Who grow up without mature, functioning sex organs, unable to ever orgasm and have a sex life?
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A country where men say they're women and are counted as women in the rape and sexual assault statistics?
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A country where men's desires to be placed in female prisons is elevated over and above the needs of women?
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A country where children are told you can be born in the wrong body?
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Enlighten us.“

No need for the snotty ending. You sort of prove my argument: have not all of those things come about during the past 14 years of Conservative government?

PurpleSparkledPixie · 25/06/2024 20:02

I have seven candidates to choose from. Either fresh from university, (so very probably TWAW) or older candidates who've proved useless at councillor level already.

Toying between the very young looking tory or spoiling. Always been a Labour supporter but they've really fucked me off.

Brukli · 25/06/2024 19:24

I’ve got the Party of Women standing in my area (marginal seat). I’ve never not voted Labour, and the Labour candidate is a decent and moral person on most issues but has remained disappointingly silent on this issue. I can’t vote for a person or party that isn’t crystal clear on protecting sex-based rights and safeguarding children.

That rules out Lib Dem and the barmy army Greens. Hell will freeze over before I vote Tory or Reform. There is a guy from ‘Rejoin the EU’ I could vote for, but I think it’ll be Party of Women this time on principle.

Otherwise, I’d likely be spoiling my vote for the first time in my life.

LightSpeeds · 25/06/2024 19:19

No, but I did think about it...

I was certain what party I was going to vote for - but then we had a 'boundary change' and were lumped in with a small town 10 miles away (ok, annoying but can deal with that) and THEN found out the candidate for 'my' party lives on the other side of the country. WTAF!!

SerafinasGoose · 25/06/2024 19:15

Yes, I shall be doing this.

Wistfullythinking · 25/06/2024 19:11

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 25/06/2024 11:22

My postal vote hasn't arrived.

My mum's arrived this afternoon! Shocking isn't it?

Freysimo · 25/06/2024 19:09

BackToLurk · 25/06/2024 18:56

People campaigned for the right to vote, not the obligation to vote for a party that doesn't respect them

I'm not keen on any of the parties but am actually voting for my Conservative MP, who's been a decent constituency MP and doesn't think trans women are women. Yes, I asked him.

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 25/06/2024 19:07

Yes

Cycleorrun · 25/06/2024 19:06

RantyRantington · 25/06/2024 18:57

And Lo!

Is it me or are other FWR members getting the vibe that a certain Party is nervous of vote spoiling?

I think I'd dishonour the women who fought for my vote by voting for a party who won't clearly state that they support women's rights.

Definitely. Ironically it's pushing me to actually vote Tory. (Very much a sex realist candidate in our constituency) It's that or spoil. OH has decided not to vote at all. So that's 2 less Labour votes than last time because of their contemptuous treatment of Women.
Personally I have a feeling the suffragettes would be shoulder to shoulder with us on this.

Wistfullythinking · 25/06/2024 19:06

YouJustDoYou · 25/06/2024 12:14

The town where I live is Tory and has been for many years, we have a number of hotels with illegal migrants where rape and stabbings have increased, our town is run down and decrepit, we have no police it seems anymroe, people openly do drugs....it's a shit show. And what's scary is that Labour will just make it even WORSE, so I don't know...I hate both Labour and the Tories, Lib Dems like Labour think women can have a penis and our only other two candidates are Reform and Green, but I saw what Green to Brighton so that leaves Reform...

Sounds like my town!

Ed to say I will not be voting Reform, but local FB pages tell a lot of people are planning to.

I am still wavering between labour and spoiling. It depends on what happens between now and then.

HelenaTranscart · 25/06/2024 18:59

The Scottish Nasty Party will win in my constituency so I voted Conservative to reduce their share of the vote. My family voted Reform for same reason. I hate the Tories but if a party doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman, or demonstrates a callous disregard for women (SNP, Greens, Libdem & Labour), I cannot vote for them. I did include a Respect my Sex note in the postal vote though. Not sure anyone will see it but it made me feel better.

Just read a headline saying Labour will allow 'trans women with penises' into female toilets (said by shadow education secretary)

Careful who you vote for!