Bridget Phillipson says men with GRCs should be in women's toilets

That is very clearly stated. Thank you.

Tweet from StillTish of relevance to this thread:

‘This case is a man who was thrice married, had 7 kids, spent time in Jail for obtaining explosives with intent to endanger life. A single judge granted him a gender recognition certificate.’

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2019/10/10/gender-recognition-certificates/

They have clearly (now) show us what their plans are. We need to take this slip up (for surely this was meant for AFTER the election?) very seriously and vote accordingly.

I’ve name changed for this but I grew up in the same street as Bridget at the same time and I’m really surprised she’d go along with this, if I remember correctly her mum used to work in the women’s refuge and she worked there herself. She was always so clever and sensible.

It's either a woman's space or it isn't.

Exactly!

But instead they kicked out many of the women who did understand. Remember that Wes?

If they'd actually listened to women at any point over the last 5-6 years we could have patiently explained this to them in plain English.

Mr Streeting added that the NHS has got to "find a way through through that treats trans people with respect and respects women’s safe spaces.”

Fuck me. We've been talking about this for ten fucking years. It's either a woman's space or it isn't.

There is no middle ground.

it is, ironically, a binary choice.

And anyone with half a brain cell would realise that in about 3 seconds.

You can't be 'a bit' single sex.

It's a nonsense. I wouldn't know what one looked like, even if you paid me.

What are they going to do, watermark it!

It's just bollocks double speak.

You can't create a single sex space, and then allow any man to enter it.

Mr Streeting added that the NHS has got to "find a way through through that treats trans people with respect and respects women’s safe spaces.”

He wants those women to treat that man with respect! After he's sexually harassed Streeting is banging on about treating him with respect BEFORE respecting the women.

You know what they prioritise, they are saying it very clearly.

Yes, I know it's happening 😡. But this is the first time I've heard an MP be so explicit.

Well, leading up to the election, anyway.

I'm sure loads have said it in the past

Aren't Labour a bit slow to jump OFF the bandwagon - they jumped on it quickly enough. It doesn't matter if a man has a meaningless certificate, he's certainly not going to carry it around and show it before entering toilets, and even so, he is still a man and thus in no way entitled to use women's spaces. Can't believe anyone is voting for Labour, how sad that there's nobody worth voting for though.

They should all be asking Labour MP's about this case...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/wes-streeting-horrified-over-darlington-130300710.html

And feel under pressure to wash their hands…..( a practice conspicuous by its absence, according to DH)

I won't be voting Labour. Stupid thing is I'm a Liberal at heart. I have no one to vote for, I'm half tempted to vote tory just to stick 2 fingers up at labour

So, Labour finally breaks cover about what they mean when they say ‘safe spaces’, or indeed ‘women’s spaces’ - they mean spaces for women and girls plus men who say they are women. As pp have said, it’s not possible to know whether a man has a grc, so no man can be questioned - all men have access.

I’m surprised some people think this won’t apply to other settings - DV shelters, rape crisis support, intimate healthcare. In Labour terms, TWAW and any man can claim to be a transwoman. This will be in law, so no chance to develop case law to challenge it with a Labour government

I totally understand that, given all the other priorities in the country, some people feel they can’t not vote labour - but be in no doubt about how they will act on women’s rights. They have told us all already

Most men hate them too,

It means they have to queue, for a kick off.

Most men hate them too,

I think that is what the continual reference to "safe spaces" has been all about. 'Safe spaces' has no mention of Sex.

I don't know if it's a result of Labour trying to play both sides, or whether they genuinely don't understand the issues (because they wouldnt meet with women) But where it has led me to is a place of distrust. I do not trust the Labour Party, and I don't know what they stand for.

Yes, me too!

I remember when Labour first backtracked on self ID (July 2023) and promised to protect women's spaces. If I recall correctly there were broadly 3 kinds of response on this board

1. Posters expressing relief because they felt they could vote Labour again.
2. Posters feeling more cautious but hoping this might be a start. (I was in that group.)
3. Posters challenging Labour as to whether transwomen with a GRC would be able to use these spaces.

If we'd all attended British Library's 2021 exhibition about women's rights it seems we'd have been able to see Shona Faye's GRC in its own case.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4304834-British-Library-exhibition-Unfinished-Business-The-Fight-for-Womens-Rights

Nurses take action against their NHS trust after having been forced to share a staff changing room with a male who identifies as a woman.

Just been talking to a canvassing friend, working on plans for this afternoon. She was canvassing in an area near the hospital and has had several people mention the nurses bringing the discrimination suit against the NHS for allowing a TW to ogle them in the changing rooms. One of the HCPs was a male nurse who was absolutely furious about the whole trans thing and worried that a transwoman who had worked in finance admin in the hospital had been accepted to train as a nurse (local university) in September. I can't say what the nurse on the doorstep had to say about it, it would get me booted off MN. But feelings running high in the NHS, I'd say.