JKR calls Labour's Bluff - Offering Meeting leadership only on her terms

Sarcastic, obs.

What the fuck happened to reading various sources, from different journals/articles/newspapers to gain knowledge of something? Or is it just 'Pink News? Job done'

why not take it to twitter to replace that misleading viral pelvic bone image that's been doing the rounds? nobody on here is circulating pictures of pelvises @Christinapple !!

The debate is not around the process of identification of the sex of bones. It's simply being used as a pathetic attempt to suggest sex is not scientifically identifiable. We all know it is.

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Yes, Arabella, you should get right on that

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It sounds interesting.

But if teeth and enamel analysis is indeed a more accurate way of trying to determine sex than pelvic bones (as the claim F and M both always have set angles is misleading and debunked, as everyone is unique) why not take it to twitter to replace that misleading viral pelvic bone image that's been doing the rounds?

It's always Pink News,always.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-68550-w

Things have moved on in tooth enamel analysis since 2017.

'Sex estimation was possible in 100% of this burial sample using proteomics, in 91% using genomics, and in 51% using osteology. -

pressed 'post' too soon - this quote shows that it's generally easier to use proteins than DNA or bones to sex remains, mostly because teeth last longer.

It's a really fascinating paper.

There's a lot of varied attempts to convince that sex isn't real.

It seems very important to some people.

You know what one thing would have been more convincing than big academic words, clown fish, aubergines with feelings (thanks Alice Roberts), appropriation of intersex/ gay rights/ race / feminism and more effective than rape threats, doxxing, reporting, cancelling etc?

If the males who said they were women had all stopped acting like, well, particularly stereotypically male males.

Most women couldn't give a shit about tits or hair or lippy or heels or skirts. It's the entitlement to women's labour, validation, bodies and presence. The assumption that all the privileges of being a man remain. The tendency to speak over, use old boys networks, back door meetings, astroturfing. If males who said they identify as women had given all that up, we'd be in a different place.

Yeah, there's a good one in there somewhere: let us know when you've got it👍😁

The "archaeologists can always tell" is a gender critical urban legend

Like those other gender critical urban legends?

Men have penises, women don’t
Women have uteruses, men don’t
Sex is binary

Those urban legendeers have been busy, haven’t they?

I completed the form to let them know it was posted on here. It might be helpful for them to know just incase they do receive malicious submissions to ignore.

Were you milk monitor at school by any chance?

Talk about petty.

From the first sentence of that article (my bolds) -

'In the first ‘Science Notes’ (CA 333), we discussed the identification of a possible female Viking warrior using ancient DNA analysis. This is a guaranteed way to confirm sex in human remains, but can be costly, time-consuming, and destructive to the bone, meaning that it is not feasible when a project needs to determine the sex of a large number of skeletons.'

It might not be used widely due to being 'costly, time-consuming and (being) destructive to the bone' but it is a guaranteed way to confirm sex.

Which is precisely why JKR is refusing to be token spokeswoman! She wants a wider representation in the discussion. Her 'celebrity' status gets the possibility of the door opening, but JKR wants others to go through with her!

Thanks for sharing, but yes it's a study "in early stages with potential" which archs can use with other methods to take an intelligent guess at the sex of a skeleton if the skeleton or part of is all they have.

My point is there's no 100% clear cut method to determine the sex as of yet and intelligent guesses are often the best we have.

Back to Rowling, she is being widely praised for this, but isn't this just spoiled blackmail manipulation?

"You can talk with me but only on my terms!"

If literally anyone else said that, everyone would be asking "and who the hell are you?"

What Rowling has publically highlighted is that Labour are pathetically eager to meet with a celebrity donor, but not groups representing women from their own party.

I know Rowling's opinion matters as much as anyone else's, but she is 1 person after all remember. What about the other 68 million of us who reside in Britain? Do we all have special meetings with the leaders too?

Will Rishi Sunak meet with me and bend over backwards to please and "assure me" if I tell him I will only talk to him if he raises minimum wage?

Or is it because I'm not a billionaire with 14M twitter followers?

Everyone's opinion matters, but some people's opinions obviously matter more than others.

https://archaeology.co.uk/articles/sciencenotes/lets-talk-sex-determination.htm

Tooth enamel, too.

'Sex is typically determined by the morphology (shape) of the pelvis or skull and long bone measurements.'

In this paper, it was found elbow bones could be used to estimate sex:

https://www.bumc.bu.edu/camed/2019/10/23/researchers-accurately-estimate-the-sex-of-skeletons-based-on-elbow-features/

I'm working on an arse/elbow joke.

When looking at reputable sources which, crucially, look at various sex markers of skeletons including but not limited to the pelvis, sex is identified correctly in the vast majority of cases, by both experienced and inexperienced forensic practitioners -

scholar.google.co.uk/scholar_url?url=bookcafe.yuntsg.com/ueditor/jsp/upload/file/20230403/1680486937260016880.pdf&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mg98ZoDEHbbKy9YPsbqkkAU&scisig=AFWwaeaEAobuNPxsL2U1yUxTm0c1&oi=scholarr

Your sources focus entirely on identification using the pelvic bone only, which was not the original statement of that thread of tweets.

And even putting that aside, do you believe that 'before the Enlightenment, the female skeleton didn't exist', as Hines appears to be claiming?

Didn't the TRA arguments use to be of better quality in days of yore?

Isn't it a bit like years ago, when you always find one doctor who reckoned smoking didn't cause cancer?

I knew pinknews aren't popular on here (they support trans people) so I also included a fact checker website which gives an explanation.

@CaveMum, I completed the form to let them know it was posted on here. It might be helpful for them to know just incase they do receive malicious submissions to ignore.

Back to Rowling, she is being widely praised for this, but isn't this just spoiled blackmail manipulation?

"You can talk with me but only on my terms!"

If literally anyone else said that, everyone would be asking "and who the hell are you?"

It's not as clever as you think. Reminds me of a spoiled young teen being asked to do their homework and replying with "I'll do my homework as long as I don't have to eat dinner and I can have a 2nd chocolate iced-lolly!" It's that sort of thing and most people grow out of it around age 4-ish.

Rowling's special conditions to talk to her also involve telling other women what to do and say, including telling other women to stop calling the LGB-Alliance a hate group (which btw is listed on the globalextremism project).

globalextremism.org/post/release-ireland-report/

Ah, Pink News, that fabulously reputable scientific journal.

The "archaeologists can always tell" is a gender critical urban legend

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.336G8HA

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/13/pelvic-bone-unreliable-in-identifying-gender/

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