JKR calls Labour's Bluff - Offering Meeting leadership only on her terms

The whole of bicycle geometry has to be tweaked to cope with sex differences. Handlebar width, wheelbase, the lot.

Further complicated when funding, from Government in particular, is only available to those services which are 'inclusive' (I.e. those which do not offer single sex services) such is happening with rape crisis services in Scotland.

Yes ‘his pet 'good girls' have sacrifice the rights of other women so they can be in power. They will not be the ones who will suffer from the loss of single sex spaces and eroding of our hard won rights. I wish all women voters realise just how important this issue is without legally protected rights women will be relegated to second class citizens

If it's anything like the unmitigated disaster of the 1140 in Scotland which has brought the sector to it's knees, with chronic underfunding and with staff morale at an all time low, then it's going to be shit

I work with Virago Women's Workshop in Leeds, they are a CIC, they receive no external funding, we are entirely volunteer driven. If 'Legal Women' comes to pass under Labour (which I no doubt think it will because of the GRC plans with no plans to update the EA to make it clear), we will be no more. We do not accept men into our space, that is the whole point of Virago - a space for women (and I will not quantify the word 'women' any further, because we shouldn't need to).

Those involved with childcare are apparently livid and keen to tell him where he can shove his plans of what he would do 'for' it.

Child care and be kind decent women to look up to. What more do women need? Just wait till they come for your bank accounts and your shoes. That'll teach you to go about expecting rights.

I know, a list of nice ladies, followed by what he’d do for childcare. Grrr.

O thing nice about it, but that’s what he was aiming for.

Some of my best friends are women. My daughters are women!

Anne Coffey was big on child safety. I wish she'd stuck it out in Labour instead of joining that doomed Tigger breakaway. I wonder what she makes of genderwoo?

I know I'm old now because I keep thinking back to days of proper outspoken women MPs. Women like Audrey Wise, Anne Coffey, Maureen Colquhoun, Joan Lestor, Clare Short.

This lot are in it for the wrong reasons, themselves.

Agree that his list sounded, to me, like he was saying “But I love the wimmin, look how many are in my Shadow Cabinet!”

Like JKR I have now firmly decided not to vote Labour. Gawd knows who I will vote for, but it won’t be them.

Yes. The listing of his pet 'good girls' who all think and do as he says, like he thinks good women should, is not at all the optics he thinks it is.

His treatment of Rosie Duffield is far more illuminating. And he is stupid enough to think that voters won't notice.

A healthy party would have a range of views, AND a range of women with different views, all of whom were welcome in the party because diversity would actually be important to them. Not a case of 'women are welcome in the party so long as they revolve entirely around keeping men happy and not wanting anything inconvenient of their own' .

It was his listing of the "good" women in his party too. As if this meant it was all sorted.

I admit to shouting at the tv, what an utter plonker and fuckwit fudger.

Yes this is so true.

I shouted too but I did not see his misogyny as 'niceness'.

This is true. If single-sex spaces are not a legal requirement, then those businesses and organisations who opt to provide them risk being accused of ‘transphobia’ as they are choosing to exclude transwomen from women’s spaces when they don’t actually have to. We definitely need additional third spaces. Third spaces won’t offer validation, of course, but at least they blow the “I don’t feel safe in the gents’” argument out of the water.

Which is already happening to a large extent.

The problem also is that unless single sex spaces are required by law cowardly woke businessses take the line of least resistance and make everything like loos mixed sex to avoids any hassle So we all lose out

I completely agree. This is the third time that he's done it that I'm aware of, four if you include the incident in parliament he keeps lying about. I hope he has Mrs Ghey's permission to weaponise her child's death like this. It's irrelevant to the discussion anyway. There was no mention of single sex spaces during the trial and no GC arguments were raised as a motive.

Anyway, I'm sorry, that poor child should rest in peace. I'm not going to post anymore about the crime.

I think it’s really quite sick and distasteful to keep using that awful tragedy as a means to prop up gender ideology and beat down those with valid concerns.

Of course he did! Whilst berating Sunak about his comments when Esther Ghey was in parliament. He really is tone deaf.

Yes it’s his stock answer to deflect

There was a TRA whooper in the audience which riled Starmer up

That is who he is listening to. He cannot hear women

I don’t think people know what the EqA allows

It would be down to court cases which businesses obviously will not want to risk.

Starmer was misleading there. A refuge as an example gives no indication for a retailer or gym

I didn't watch the debate, they both set my teeth on edge, but....did Starmer really use that child's murder again?

And, it's so annoying that the equality act means services can be single sex only if they want to be- but only if they want/can put up with hassle from trans identifying people who want to use the wrong spaces.

Women should have spaces available to them. We shouldn't have to rely on services choosing to offer them.