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JKR calls Labour's Bluff - Offering Meeting leadership only on her terms

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fromorbit · 24/06/2024 20:44

JKR is playing at a different level. After Starmer and Reeves offered to meet with her she gave them her conditions.

I'll be happy to meet after NoXYinXXprisons, Lesbian Labour, Womens Rights Network, WomansPlaceUK and Alliance LGB have been given in person meetings with the Labour leadership. I'd also like to know whether Angela Rayner still considers the last two organisations hate groups.

They are trapped either they now have to meet with gay and women's groups and listen to them something they are desperate not to do. It is not impossible then that Reeves at least can be made to see some sense. Even talking with these groups and JKR will also make TRAs go ballistic and many will leave the party. Chances are that Labour will promise a bunch of stuff to JKR which If Labour still follow gender nonsense after that they can be fully held to account for. If they promise single sex spaces are safe then every time that is breached Labour's credibility will be on the line

Or if they refuse to meet with the groups they prove EVERYTHING JKR said in her essay was right.

The media are now hyping the meeting further locking Labour in

BRING IT ON
Keir Starmer insists he WILL meet with JK Rowling to thrash out trans and gender rights & ‘respects’ her views
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28714134/keir-starmer-jk-rowling-trans/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/24/labour-gender-transition-recognition-process-trans.

a woman in a blue dress stands in front of a sign that says rift

Keir insists he WILL meet with JK Rowling to thrash out trans and gender rights

KEIR Starmer has tonight insisted he will meet with JK Rowling to thrash out trans and gender rights – saying he “respects her views”. The Labour leader dropped the bombshell …

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28714134/keir-starmer-jk-rowling-trans

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UtopiaPlanitia · 30/06/2024 21:10

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2024 20:45

I'm tempted to think Jill Biden is being set up for blame. Joe Biden is a grown man with at least some marbles. No matter what his wife may or may not be telling him, he takes the blame for his own decisions.

The Observer has a couple of articles, about how women are being sidelined in our election

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/30/mansplaining-uk-election-coverage-marginalises-womens-concerns-study-finds

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/29/gender-poverty-violence-all-matter-to-women-and-all-must-matter-to-labour

I don't disagree with you Cake about the often excessively negative attitude towards Jill Biden. However, how she behaves towards him in public reminds me a lot of Nancy Reagan with her husband when he was in decline. That makes me think that Jill Biden is trying to help her husband keep doing his job (which is to her credit) but ultimately I think it would be better for Biden's health if he took the decision to retire.

Mycatsmudge · 30/06/2024 20:59

Sadly if that is Biden at his best (after tons of coaching, medication and Botox) then I don’t think he has capacity to decide whether he should continue as POTUS. Sm

IwantToRetire · 30/06/2024 20:24

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the Starmers to seek privacy for KS’s wife and kids

Well yes if that is what he did, but in a manner very similar to Suealla Braverman and her husband, (not of course anything to do with seeking the Jewish vote!) are happy to parade "credentials" in the Jewish Chronicle.

maltravers · 30/06/2024 20:11

While that is true MyCat, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for the Starmers to seek privacy for KS’s wife and kids. He’s never paraded them to get votes and seemingly tries to shield them. I respect him for that (if not some other things).

Mycatsmudge · 30/06/2024 15:49

Considering Jill Biden could now determine who will be the next POTUS I would say the wife of the UK PM has an equally large influence on him. Being PM is hardly just a job and who else would you confide with your darkest deepest thoughts and worries but your DW

hihelenhi · 29/06/2024 17:15

From what I gather, Victoria Starmer is very much NOT a "trad wife" at all. She just doesn't want to be in the forefront as far as I can see, or her kids to be either. Which is completely understandable. But I'm curious as to her views on this, especially as she works for the NHS; is she pro? Given the views he's expressed, I'd suspect yes.

BreatheAndFocus · 29/06/2024 11:56

I do wonder whether Victoria Starmer is one of these trad wives who goes along with everything her dh decides if so is this the kind of man we want as PM who see women as a compliant companion who toes the line?

I wondered the opposite actually. KS is such a wet blanket, and has often praised his wife’s “sassiness”, perhaps he’s taking his lead on this from her?

CaveMum · 29/06/2024 09:56

The question of "Do you believe that humans can change sex?" also needs to be asked.

If he says no (because, duh!) then he admits that transwomen do not belong in women's single sex spaces.

If he says yes then we know a) he has no issue with transwomen in female only spaces and b) he needs a sit down with Prof/Lord Robert Winston.

Datun · 29/06/2024 09:51

VerasMacAndHat · 29/06/2024 08:37

I think the question we should be asking is "what is the purpose of a GRC?" and "What rights does a GRC confer?"

Exactly.

It's really quite simple. What rights does it confer?

And what is the criteria for getting one?

Because, as it's all based on self reporting, paedophiles, rapists, murderers, the lot can all apply.

There's no barrier.

EasternStandard · 29/06/2024 08:58

VerasMacAndHat · 29/06/2024 08:37

I think the question we should be asking is "what is the purpose of a GRC?" and "What rights does a GRC confer?"

This is the question to Starmer

Where does a man with a GRC get access?

VerasMacAndHat · 29/06/2024 08:37

I think the question we should be asking is "what is the purpose of a GRC?" and "What rights does a GRC confer?"

NoWordForFluffy · 29/06/2024 08:29

Mycatsmudge · 29/06/2024 08:26

You would hope a dw would have some influence over her dh and they would discuss pertinent issues of the day and come to some common agreement . I can’t quite believe she as a Jewish woman has watched as British Jews and biological women in the Labour Party being abused, attacked and cancelled under his stewardship. I personally would not have being able to have stayed with him.

Exactly. If my DH was into gender woo, he'd have been gone!

Mycatsmudge · 29/06/2024 08:26

GennyLec · 28/06/2024 20:55

I don't think we should be expecting any public comments from Mrs Starmer nor infer any meaning from this?

You would hope a dw would have some influence over her dh and they would discuss pertinent issues of the day and come to some common agreement . I can’t quite believe she as a Jewish woman has watched as British Jews and biological women in the Labour Party being abused, attacked and cancelled under his stewardship. I personally would not have being able to have stayed with him.

CaveMum · 29/06/2024 07:13

Angela Rayner seems spooked. She trips over her words, can’t even call the EA by its correct name and quite frankly could be a Championship Dodgeball player based on her attempts at dodging the actual question 🙄

https://x.com/channel4news/status/1806730163649986823?s=46&t=vZsKCHJJ4lL6NrAoNyJFww

IwantToRetire · 29/06/2024 00:57

I think she's been punished enough already.

Flowers

Although as has been said on other threads to be the source of why eradicating anti-semitism in the Labour Party turned it into making it about Zionism, and ditto trans.

(Sorry to link to another thread, but sometimes wonder with men like David Tenant and KS that not having quite grasped issues, or points of views, from loved ones, they then go over the top in trying to present just how on message they are.)

Littlewhingingfucker · 28/06/2024 23:54

Mycatsmudge · 28/06/2024 20:51

The lack of anything from Mrs Starmer ever is very telling. First the anti-semitism in the Labour Party which KS accepted and went along with then this prioritising of trans woMEN over biological women by KS as demonstrated in his encounter with Jane today. I do wonder whether Victoria Starmer is one of these trad wives who goes along with everything her dh decides if so is this the kind of man we want as PM who see women as a compliant companion who toes the line?

She's married to Sir Keir. I think she's been punished enough already.

Floisme · 28/06/2024 21:04

Mrs Starmer has every right to her privacy.

GennyLec · 28/06/2024 20:55

I don't think we should be expecting any public comments from Mrs Starmer nor infer any meaning from this?

Mycatsmudge · 28/06/2024 20:51

The lack of anything from Mrs Starmer ever is very telling. First the anti-semitism in the Labour Party which KS accepted and went along with then this prioritising of trans woMEN over biological women by KS as demonstrated in his encounter with Jane today. I do wonder whether Victoria Starmer is one of these trad wives who goes along with everything her dh decides if so is this the kind of man we want as PM who see women as a compliant companion who toes the line?

TeamKenwood · 28/06/2024 19:57

Today’s been quite a contrast! Keir Starmer showing just how out of touch he is via his bruising encounter with the mighty Jane. And Rishi Sunak showing a very human, emotional side in quite a moving statement about the affect of racism on him and his family.

Who would have predicted that on a rainy Wednesday in May?

hihelenhi · 28/06/2024 18:09

Jane, just listened, you were fab. Thanks! Love it! 👏🍾

duc748 · 28/06/2024 15:57

Listening now. Great stuff, Jane! If only the likes of Newsnight would put him on the spot like that! 👏👏

UpThePankhurst · 28/06/2024 15:23

RedToothBrush · 28/06/2024 14:27

How can you be protecting women's rights as they stand, if you won't agree to define what a woman? Or just leave it as an area of law which is causing problems for women?

Or believe that women should be a resource for the use of men, and not have the option of consent? Because men have Needs?

I'm not kidding when I say start watching the marital rape clause.

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