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Islington North - who to vote for?

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Election2024 · 24/06/2024 17:48

I live in Islington North constituency and I’ve no idea who to vote for in this election.
My politics are left wing and I’m gender critical.
Our current MP is Corbyn, who is standing as an independent in this election. I don’t want to vote for him (and even more so after seeing him out on the campaign trail with Owen Jones 🙄).

I’m pissed off with Labour re self ID/Rosie Duffield treatment etc etc and don’t really want to vote for them either. Don’t want to vote for Greens and Lib Dems because of their batshit gender policies. Other candidates are Tory, Reform (no thanks), and an independent who I can’t find any information about. Sadly no other parties or even novelty candidates to choose from this election.

Normally I might consider spoiling my ballot paper… BUT, wondering if that’s risky this time? Whilst I’m angry with Labour, I would be pissed off if Corbyn got back in… Is it a risk? Should I hold my nose and vote for Labour?

interested to hear from other mumsnetters who are in a similar predicament. Who the hell do you vote for if you're left wing and gender critical?

(regular mumsnetter, have name changed because I’ve given my location).

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paasll · 24/06/2024 19:46

You could either spoil the ballot paper or not vote.

I am either going to not vote, or vote for the candidate that stinks the least.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:42

I enjoyed 1997. Rapidly disillusioned thereafter, but it was a great relief to have the Tories out after even longer than their recent run - 18 years, although they'd only had two leaders in that time - slacking compared to recent times.

Muthaofcats · 24/06/2024 19:41

Can someone sum up why labour are a problem for gender critical women?

please don’t vote for Jeremy corbyn, friend of Hamas, jew hater. We need a cohesive leader right now, not more division and hatred.

Election2024 · 24/06/2024 19:39

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:33

I'm planning to sit up for the results (if I can stay awake). Retired now, so no need to worry about work on the Friday! Your result is one of quite a number I will be watching out for. Clacton, Rees-Mogg, Hunt, Sunak, Truss. There must be others.

I like staying up for the results, but am so often disappointed. Remembering Brexit when I reached for the gin bottle at 1am…

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Election2024 · 24/06/2024 19:37

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:29

Could be worse. We have one Independent and she appears to be an evangelical Christian church worker who believes the most important issue in the election is the rights of (quote) 'unborn people'.

We have a 24-year-old Communist who from his picture looks about 50. Apparently the Communists have a sane policy on gender, but I can't vote Communist.

My choice, realistically, is between our long-serving Labour MP, who is a decent, hardworking constituency MP who's worked hard on her Shadow Cabinet brief, but is on the fence about gender, and spoiling my ballot paper. She will win by a landslide no matter what I do, so in a sense it doesn't matter. It matters to me, though. I'm worried about Labour.

However, the main thing for me is that the Tories must lose power. What a choice, though.

It’s rubbish isn’t it? The Communists do have good policy re gender - I have actually voted for them before, but viewed it the same as a spoiled ballot - ie a protest vote when it didn’t matter.
where’s Count Binface when you need him??😆

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:33

I'm planning to sit up for the results (if I can stay awake). Retired now, so no need to worry about work on the Friday! Your result is one of quite a number I will be watching out for. Clacton, Rees-Mogg, Hunt, Sunak, Truss. There must be others.

Election2024 · 24/06/2024 19:30

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:23

I'm afraid it doesn't look too promising ...

Understatement 🤣🤣🤣

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Election2024 · 24/06/2024 19:29

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:21

Re your Independent candidate, Paul Josling - found this on Twitter: https://x.com/SGrahamg5/status/1804462246984131038

Oh 🤣
I’m not sure I’m much wiser!

Although I did learn that:
“Paul is a 58 year student at the Royal
Central School of Speech and Drama. A spiritual scientist. And his hobbies are Radio 3 and 4 & karioke.”

I had a look at the Facebook page mentioned - it’s a group, only 2 members and he’s one of them.

File under ‘eccentric’!

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:29

Could be worse. We have one Independent and she appears to be an evangelical Christian church worker who believes the most important issue in the election is the rights of (quote) 'unborn people'.

We have a 24-year-old Communist who from his picture looks about 50. Apparently the Communists have a sane policy on gender, but I can't vote Communist.

My choice, realistically, is between our long-serving Labour MP, who is a decent, hardworking constituency MP who's worked hard on her Shadow Cabinet brief, but is on the fence about gender, and spoiling my ballot paper. She will win by a landslide no matter what I do, so in a sense it doesn't matter. It matters to me, though. I'm worried about Labour.

However, the main thing for me is that the Tories must lose power. What a choice, though.

CorbynSchmorbyn · 24/06/2024 19:26

Well, as Mr Josling fails to mention anyhting about actual policy in his lengthy ramble - my position has not changed! Thanks Gaspode

CorbynSchmorbyn · 24/06/2024 19:25

To me, Corbyn epitomises the self satisfied left. Quite how he thinks a vote for him will bring about peace in Gaza, I have no idea.

ProfessorPeppy · 24/06/2024 19:24

Election2024 · 24/06/2024 19:18

I used to vote for him too. I was never a big fan (have a long memory), but he was a decent constituency MP who seemed to care. But I didn’t realise that he was a vain man - anyone with less ego would have realised the damage he was doing to the Labour Party as leader and stepped aside… and maybe the Tories wouldn’t have won in 2019?

Agree. He seems to typify a certain type of left-wing man: ideological purity and optics above all else. These men seem especially to hate women. They exist on Twitter, mainly.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:23

I'm afraid it doesn't look too promising ...

Election2024 · 24/06/2024 19:21

CorbynSchmorbyn · 24/06/2024 19:10

I am also in Islington North. I am still undecided as to whether to vote Reform (as a protest vote) or whether to deliberately spoil my ballot. None of the other parties deserves my vote at the moment (although also no idea about the Independent bloke who isn't Corbyn). I am doing a bit to help Lesley Woodburn of Party of Women who is standing in Islington South.

Yes, who IS independent candidate Paul Jopling, what does he stand for and why is he hiding away? I can’t find anything about him…

Edit: Cross posted with PP above! Will have a look…

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:21

Re your Independent candidate, Paul Josling - found this on Twitter: https://x.com/SGrahamg5/status/1804462246984131038

Islington North - who to vote for?
Islington North - who to vote for?
Election2024 · 24/06/2024 19:18

ProfessorPeppy · 24/06/2024 18:53

I think you need to stop Corbyn. I used to live in Islington North and he was my MP - I can’t believe I used to vote for him. He’s a disaster.

I used to vote for him too. I was never a big fan (have a long memory), but he was a decent constituency MP who seemed to care. But I didn’t realise that he was a vain man - anyone with less ego would have realised the damage he was doing to the Labour Party as leader and stepped aside… and maybe the Tories wouldn’t have won in 2019?

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CorbynSchmorbyn · 24/06/2024 19:10

I am also in Islington North. I am still undecided as to whether to vote Reform (as a protest vote) or whether to deliberately spoil my ballot. None of the other parties deserves my vote at the moment (although also no idea about the Independent bloke who isn't Corbyn). I am doing a bit to help Lesley Woodburn of Party of Women who is standing in Islington South.

Election2024 · 24/06/2024 19:08

UtilitarianNameChange · 24/06/2024 18:50

Corbyn usually has a giant majority, presumably that’s going to split into two with
Corbyn mopping up some Green-inclined voters and Labour mopping up some Lib Dems?
Corbyn might do well with Labour voters who are pissed off with Sadiq Khan and the Labour candidate/Starmer’s Labour might gain some left leaning Jewish voters who had abandoned the party in the Corbyn era.

The not-very-big Tory vote is going to split smaller, losing some votes to Reform.

If I lived in Islington North I’d probably spoil my ballot (although a win for Corbyn might have the unintended effect of making the PLP more terfy, in order to better distance themselves from the fringier left).

What’s the Labour candidate like?

At least your election is exciting!
I live in a vote-for-an-inanimate-object-wearing-a-red-rosette area of the NW, where the only sign of Labour’s dwindling support is lower and lower turn out. Not many people here like or trust Labour these but they can’t quite bring themselves to vote for anyone else.

I’ve spent most of my life living in safe seats (Tory or Labour) and have always been envious of those living in marginals. But now that my vote does actually count, I don’t like it because all the choices are shit! 😂
I was considering spoiling my ballot, but if it’s as close as the polls say, I’m not sure I have that luxury?

The Labour candidate seems a bit ‘corporate’? But honestly don’t know much about him - anything I’ve read doesn’t give me much knowledge of who he really is.

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IslingtonNorthtoo · 24/06/2024 18:55

the young people I know here are all voting for Corbyn due to his views on Palestine (and in protest of Starmer's approach to Palestine). But they aren't GC

mirax · 24/06/2024 18:54

Anywhere else I'd vote for a rightwing candidate - I used to be a lifelong leftie until the last few years but no more: the left is seriously unhinged and there is no course correction on the horizon yet. But in Islington, Corbyn is such a bastard that I'd hold my nose and vote Labour.

ProfessorPeppy · 24/06/2024 18:53

I think you need to stop Corbyn. I used to live in Islington North and he was my MP - I can’t believe I used to vote for him. He’s a disaster.

IslingtonNorthtoo · 24/06/2024 18:53

I have the same dilemma OP. I didn't know Corbyn was a fervent TWAW type. But then again I don't know what the labour candidate believes either, and I'd never vote Tory.

UtilitarianNameChange · 24/06/2024 18:50

Corbyn usually has a giant majority, presumably that’s going to split into two with
Corbyn mopping up some Green-inclined voters and Labour mopping up some Lib Dems?
Corbyn might do well with Labour voters who are pissed off with Sadiq Khan and the Labour candidate/Starmer’s Labour might gain some left leaning Jewish voters who had abandoned the party in the Corbyn era.

The not-very-big Tory vote is going to split smaller, losing some votes to Reform.

If I lived in Islington North I’d probably spoil my ballot (although a win for Corbyn might have the unintended effect of making the PLP more terfy, in order to better distance themselves from the fringier left).

What’s the Labour candidate like?

At least your election is exciting!
I live in a vote-for-an-inanimate-object-wearing-a-red-rosette area of the NW, where the only sign of Labour’s dwindling support is lower and lower turn out. Not many people here like or trust Labour these but they can’t quite bring themselves to vote for anyone else.

TheShellBeach · 24/06/2024 18:45

I'd vote Labour.

I have had the same dilemma, but decided eventually that I had to vote to GTTO.

I'll continue to campaign on gender issues though. As a TERF I find this has been the most difficult election as far as choosing who to vote for. Really difficult.

BackToLurk · 24/06/2024 18:41

I can't believe I'm saying this, but if your concern is about Corbyn winning then Labour it would be. In terms of any legislation regarding GRCs etc, every indication is that Corbyn would support the Labour line anyway, but with added Corbyn lunacy. And also smugness.