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Islington North - who to vote for?

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Election2024 · 24/06/2024 17:48

I live in Islington North constituency and I’ve no idea who to vote for in this election.
My politics are left wing and I’m gender critical.
Our current MP is Corbyn, who is standing as an independent in this election. I don’t want to vote for him (and even more so after seeing him out on the campaign trail with Owen Jones 🙄).

I’m pissed off with Labour re self ID/Rosie Duffield treatment etc etc and don’t really want to vote for them either. Don’t want to vote for Greens and Lib Dems because of their batshit gender policies. Other candidates are Tory, Reform (no thanks), and an independent who I can’t find any information about. Sadly no other parties or even novelty candidates to choose from this election.

Normally I might consider spoiling my ballot paper… BUT, wondering if that’s risky this time? Whilst I’m angry with Labour, I would be pissed off if Corbyn got back in… Is it a risk? Should I hold my nose and vote for Labour?

interested to hear from other mumsnetters who are in a similar predicament. Who the hell do you vote for if you're left wing and gender critical?

(regular mumsnetter, have name changed because I’ve given my location).

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maltravers · 05/07/2024 13:30

I see, thanks. That is very intolerant of them in my opinion. Not everyone qualifies for IVF on the NHS unless things have changed. Anyway, this is not relevant now, thanks for explaining.

MrsAudreyShapiro · 05/07/2024 11:51

Praful Nargund's family business runs IVF clinics. His mother is a gynaecologist. There is nothing hidden about this. He is a local councillor and it's all declared on the register of interests. You can google him and find out lots of information what they do.The hard left Corbynites who are opposed to private healthcare disapprove, of course.

maltravers · 05/07/2024 11:17

What is their stated/unstated with IVF clinics please?

CorbynSchmorbyn · 05/07/2024 11:10

Corbyn had shed loads of people canvassing for him - there were 10 people standing outside Canonbury station the other evening - 10! and it is a tiny station. I got three leaflets about him, a knock at the door and i saw canvassers on the street three or four times. I think he has a strong personal following and lots of people I spoke to did not like the labour candidate because of his involvement with private health care and IVF clinics nor the way Corbyn had been kicked out and this other bloke imposed against the will of the local party.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2024 03:34

Mandelson said the problem in your constituency was that people said 'Oh yes, we always vote Labour, we'll be voting for Jeremy Corbyn as usual'. A one-term problem.

UtilitarianNameChange · 05/07/2024 03:31

Harriet Harman had some angry words to say about Jeremy on Channel 4!

Election2024 · 05/07/2024 03:29

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2024 19:21

Re your Independent candidate, Paul Josling - found this on Twitter: https://x.com/SGrahamg5/status/1804462246984131038

He got 32 votes - how can you only get 32?! You need 10 to nominate you.

PS Gaspode - I stayed up to watch - told you I was always disappointed when I stayed up… but at least I haven’t been on the gin tonight!

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Election2024 · 05/07/2024 03:27

Bollocks!

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DramaLlamaBangBang · 26/06/2024 17:17

Election2024 · 25/06/2024 21:07

And back to my constituency…this poll is interesting, thought Corbyn had more support than this?
Maybe taking OJ on the campaign trail has shifted a few voters? 😁

That's interesting. It does look like most of that 22% Labour drop has gone to Corbyn ( althoughbthe Lub Dems and Greens have gone pretty hard Left too so may be lending their votes to him) but most people in the constituency dont want him. I thought he was a shoe in there. Even if he did win, he would just basically do what he did under the last Labour government - vote against it over and over again. At least this time, he won't be able to cosy up to terrorists by pretending to have any influence in the government. He may as well be honest and sit on the opposition benches.

MrsAudreyShapiro · 26/06/2024 17:08

The arrest is about the 'honeytrap' scandal. The BBC story says, Police arrested a man in his mid-20s on suspicion of harassment and offences under the Online Safety Act in London on Wednesday

Praful Nargund is in his 30s and J Corbyn is obviously not a member of the Labour party. The person may have been arrested in Islington, but it's nothing to do with the candidates.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvv3lq79dro

Houses of Parliament

Man arrested over Westminster honeytrap case

Earlier this year, a string of men, mostly in politics, revealed they had received unsolicited WhatsApps.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvv3lq79dro

Redshoeblueshoe · 26/06/2024 15:33

Maybe they are trying to make the election more exciting . . .

LaurieFairyCake · 26/06/2024 14:17

Obviously Labour or corbyn

No one with half a brain cell is going to vote Tory over one single issue Confused (which I feel passionately about)

MarkWithaC · 26/06/2024 13:33

On Labour, I wonder how Rosie Duffield is feeling? Unless I’ve missed it, no one has come out to condemn the people who’ve made it impossible for her to attend hustings.
The radio silence doesn’t make me exactly trust them on women’s rights.

*edited as autocorrect changed ‘Rosie Duffield‘ to ‘Driffield’!

Workasateamanddoitmyway · 26/06/2024 11:42

artant · 26/06/2024 09:49

They’ve kind of got it covered just by having Nigel Farage as their leader.

Coincidentally, I did actually type in my original post "...or do you just not like Nigel Farage" but thought that might be a rather simplistic thing to write

artant · 26/06/2024 09:49

They’ve kind of got it covered just by having Nigel Farage as their leader.

Workasateamanddoitmyway · 26/06/2024 05:39

saraclara · 25/06/2024 22:48

I am still undecided as to whether to vote Reform (as a protest vote)

WTAF @CorbynSchmorbyn ? Seriously? That's the most stupid thing I've heard in a long time. A vote for racism and sexism and every other ism going, as a protest?

I've heard it all now.

I think calling someone else's voting decision "stupid" is a bit strong. The beauty of democracy is that someone can vote how they want rather than how other people want and it's no ones business but theirs.

Not a Reform voter so haven't checked their Contract but in what way do they actively hope to promote all these "-isms"?

saraclara · 25/06/2024 22:48

I am still undecided as to whether to vote Reform (as a protest vote)

WTAF @CorbynSchmorbyn ? Seriously? That's the most stupid thing I've heard in a long time. A vote for racism and sexism and every other ism going, as a protest?

I've heard it all now.

MadameMassiveSalad · 25/06/2024 22:34

Anything but tory.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 25/06/2024 22:31

Another tweet from Sonia. Doing a great job of applying the pressure, to continue to shift Labour's position.

https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1805615429311713563

x.com

https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1805615429311713563

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 25/06/2024 22:27

Election2024 · 25/06/2024 20:30

I don’t find Labours position very clear.

This thread by Sonia Sodha answers better than I can:
https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1805191721967325425

eg a snippet:
“The Equality Act contains exceptions that allow for provision of single-sex spaces, services and sports. But it doesn’t define sex. The Gender Recognition Act allows males to be treated as tho they were female for most legal purposes.

We simply don’t know if GRA provisions mean a man should be treated as though he were female for Equality Act purposes. It’s unclear & Labour are misleading us when they say the Equality Act doesn’t need clarification on this point.

Re the process for a GRC - their proposals say that only one doctor will be able to grant this, rather than the current two doctors

And the spousal exit/veto clause - they propose that the trans person can be granted a GRC before their spouse has obtained divorce/annulment.

Yes I've seen that thread by Sonia, and it's right to challenge Labour on their position and to keep challenging them. Sonia isn't saying Labour's position is crap therefore don't vote for them. I think that is the nuance that a lot of people in the GC movement, including JKR, are missing. It's really good to ramp up the pressure on them during this election for sure, but not to go as far as eg voting for Reform which some women are planning to do.

JanesLittleGirl · 25/06/2024 21:26

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 25/06/2024 20:24

I genuinely think you and others are being far too pessimistic. They would need to consult on any new proposed legislation, the same thing would happen as happened to the tories, it just wouldn't happen. Bringing self-ID in through the back door is just not going to be a priority for Starmer's new Gvmt, I really can't see it happening.

Oh that's so reassuring. So we can all vote Labour in the certain knowledge that they won't fuck us over.

You are either fooling yourself or trying to fool us.

UtilitarianNameChange · 25/06/2024 21:10

At least you don’t have to worry about the Tories sneaking through due to the Labour split vote!

Election2024 · 25/06/2024 21:07

And back to my constituency…this poll is interesting, thought Corbyn had more support than this?
Maybe taking OJ on the campaign trail has shifted a few voters? 😁

Islington North - who to vote for?
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Election2024 · 25/06/2024 20:30

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 25/06/2024 19:33

I continue to be perplexed at how the GC movement seems to be so passionately anti-Labour given they:

  1. Dropped plans to bring in Self-ID and have confirmed this position in their 2024 manifesto.
  2. Have reiterated their intent to protect single-sex exemptions.
  3. Have been making consistent overtures during the election campaign to reassure on the above points and that they are listening to women now.

Yes, it is true that their position is weaker than the conservatives but I fully believe that is partly due to them not having been the party in Government, and therefore they haven't been subjected to the persistent campaigning that women have been doing on this issue the past few years. They haven't been forced to reckon with the issue in policy making across Government in the same way the tories have. The Conservatives did not benignly choose to take our side on this issue. They were bloody well forced into it by the hard work of women over the last 6 plus years.

If you are generally pro-Labour apart from the gender issue, then it is really baffling to me why you would refuse to see the gains we've made within the Labour Party, and have a bit more faith in our ability to continue to keep the pressure up. The Labour Party are not pro self-ID like the Greens and Lib dems, their position has shifted. I get that people were angry at the bat-shit quotes that Labour MPs were coming out with in the past couple of years when asked 'what is a woman', and in well-meaning attempts to not be perceived as anti-trans, but surely we can look past those embarrassing gaffes and grip the current reality? the number of actual TRA MPs in Labour right now is extremely low.

I don’t find Labours position very clear.

This thread by Sonia Sodha answers better than I can:
https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1805191721967325425

eg a snippet:
“The Equality Act contains exceptions that allow for provision of single-sex spaces, services and sports. But it doesn’t define sex. The Gender Recognition Act allows males to be treated as tho they were female for most legal purposes.

We simply don’t know if GRA provisions mean a man should be treated as though he were female for Equality Act purposes. It’s unclear & Labour are misleading us when they say the Equality Act doesn’t need clarification on this point.

Re the process for a GRC - their proposals say that only one doctor will be able to grant this, rather than the current two doctors

And the spousal exit/veto clause - they propose that the trans person can be granted a GRC before their spouse has obtained divorce/annulment.

x.com

https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1805191721967325425

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