Shelagh Fogarty going there

Helpuschoose · 2024-06-24T13:09:46+00:00

Right now on LBC calling out KS on his ‘toxicity’ misnomer. Worth tuning in on catch up

CantDealwithChristmas · 26/06/2024 14:51

Mollyollydolly · 24/06/2024 15:04

Sorry should have been clearer. Harman dismissed women's concerns. Said it was all because of a few silly errors (Isla Bryson) and that women who worked in Rape Crisis didn't see a problem. She belittled the concerns of women. I've struggled about voting for them, my postal ballot is still here, but it's made my mind up. I wont vote for people who hold me in contempt.

Did she honesly call Isla Bryson a 'silly error'???

Skyellaskerry · 26/06/2024 14:14

Shelagh continuation of discussion now on lbc. Linked to the David tennent story

lcakethereforeIam · 24/06/2024 22:54

I'm not on twiX but, on the off chance that she visits here, she has my thanks.

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/06/2024 22:49

She gets a fair amount since she started speaking out, but really I just think we should let her know we appreciate her stance

Skyellaskerry · 24/06/2024 22:47

@BoreOfWhabylon I’m not on twitter - is Shelagh getting grief?

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/06/2024 22:07

If you use Twitter, please give Shelagh some support

Skyellaskerry · 24/06/2024 21:20

Thanks for flagging OP. I’ve just listened on catch up. That was an amazing opening piece from Shelagh and brilliant handling the various callers. Shelagh if you’re on here 👏👏👏

And agree with other PPs - a wonderful call from Catherine.

Gassylady · 24/06/2024 19:02

Wow JKR is totally slaying it at the moment 👏 👏 My local potential labour MP is GC (constituency boundary changed here) I will be emailing her this week. I need to calm down first

PronounssheRa · 24/06/2024 18:51

Helpuschoose · 24/06/2024 17:32

I totally understand women’s pessimism and disillusionment with the labour party. It seems to be such a tortuous process to even get them to understand the very simple concerns so many women have. But I do think the noise around this issue is getting louder, and I do think the multiplicity of voices across various media does help. I would still (just about) rather be inside the tent. Meanwhile from today’s Times…

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1805279881179316460

I'll be happy to meet after
NoXYinXXprisons, LesbianLabour, WomensRightsNet, WomansPlaceUK
and AllianceLGB have been given in person meetings with the Labour leadership. I'd also like to know whether
AngelaRayner still considers the last two organisations hate groups - asking on behalf of female survivors of domestic violence and gay people who don't subscribe to gender ideology

x.com

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1805279881179316460

zibzibara · 24/06/2024 18:50

Surely she's not so thick as to not understand the problem is the policy itself.

zibzibara · 24/06/2024 18:49

Rapist men being locked up in women's prisons is a "silly error"? 😡

lcakethereforeIam · 24/06/2024 17:59

Exactly, all these transpeople who will have in their hands 'a piece of paper'. That has never preceded anything bad.

UtopiaPlanitia · 24/06/2024 17:55

EasternStandard · 24/06/2024 17:41

Reeves and Labour have no power to stop men with GRCs entering changing rooms

How will they do this

Their complete lack of understanding is unfathomable at this stage

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They don’t understand because they don’t want to understand. For them this is all about being nice so details and specifics don’t matter because how could something bad possibly come from them just being nice 😏🙄🤦‍♀️

EasternStandard · 24/06/2024 17:41

Helpuschoose · 24/06/2024 17:32

I totally understand women’s pessimism and disillusionment with the labour party. It seems to be such a tortuous process to even get them to understand the very simple concerns so many women have. But I do think the noise around this issue is getting louder, and I do think the multiplicity of voices across various media does help. I would still (just about) rather be inside the tent. Meanwhile from today’s Times…

Reeves and Labour have no power to stop men with GRCs entering changing rooms

How will they do this

Their complete lack of understanding is unfathomable at this stage

lcakethereforeIam · 24/06/2024 17:39

Helpuschoose · 24/06/2024 17:32

I totally understand women’s pessimism and disillusionment with the labour party. It seems to be such a tortuous process to even get them to understand the very simple concerns so many women have. But I do think the noise around this issue is getting louder, and I do think the multiplicity of voices across various media does help. I would still (just about) rather be inside the tent. Meanwhile from today’s Times…

That quote from Reeves, ffs. I didn't realise Labour had the power to change biological sex. In fact, I thought that was the problem, nothing can change biological sex. Not laws, not hormones, not surgery, not blue fairies, not head tilts. But, if I'm mistaken and Labour have garnered this power from somewhere, perhaps they could use it first on congenital diseases?

Sloejelly · 24/06/2024 17:34

The LP would never lose my vote

Never? To be so tribal that nothing your party does or proposes could disuade you from voting for them is how we end up with authoritarian dictatorships.

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Helpuschoose · 24/06/2024 17:32

I totally understand women’s pessimism and disillusionment with the labour party. It seems to be such a tortuous process to even get them to understand the very simple concerns so many women have. But I do think the noise around this issue is getting louder, and I do think the multiplicity of voices across various media does help. I would still (just about) rather be inside the tent. Meanwhile from today’s Times…

OP posts:

HelpA · 24/06/2024 17:32

Mollyollydolly · 24/06/2024 15:04

Sorry should have been clearer. Harman dismissed women's concerns. Said it was all because of a few silly errors (Isla Bryson) and that women who worked in Rape Crisis didn't see a problem. She belittled the concerns of women. I've struggled about voting for them, my postal ballot is still here, but it's made my mind up. I wont vote for people who hold me in contempt.

Well doesn't that sum it up. Young middle class graduates identifying as extremely good people because they work in a charity are cool with men in women's refuges, examination rooms and therapy sessions. And cool with speaking on behalf of the women they are supposed to help.

Women who've been raped though? Anyone asked them?

AmelieTaylor · 24/06/2024 17:15

@Helpuschoose

thank you for starting the thread. I'm currently not commuting as I was, so miss SF now. I'll listen to this later though.

Finally some people's eyes are being opened to Labour.

sadly, there doesn't feel like there is ANY party I want to vote for.

Here4thechocs · 24/06/2024 17:08

The LP would never lose my vote, personally as long as the alternative (s) remain what we currently have as I’m acutely aware doing this would put the folks that have messed up this country so badly back into govt, or worse still , the Reform Ltd company. ( yes, it’s a company). So as much as error and mistakes ladened the LP party is, I’d rather them than a chance at a repeat of the last 14 years or a Putin apologist.

lcakethereforeIam · 24/06/2024 17:03

Joan Smith has quit Labour. This is so sad, I'm surprised she stuck it out as long as she did.

HellonHeels · 24/06/2024 16:29

WilmaFlintstone1 · 24/06/2024 14:29

Labour have lost my vote and I say that as a lifelong Labour voter.

Likewise

Mollyollydolly · 24/06/2024 16:28

She was brilliant.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2024 16:25

UltraLineHolder · 24/06/2024 16:24

To the Welsh woman who was the 3rd caller, you were so calm, measured and un-wavering in your message, thank you.
Using correct sex pronouns for Freda Wallace and not apologising for it, brilliant.

She was brilliant I said this too

Catherine, so well said

UltraLineHolder · 24/06/2024 16:24

To the Welsh woman who was the 3rd caller, you were so calm, measured and un-wavering in your message, thank you.
Using correct sex pronouns for Freda Wallace and not apologising for it, brilliant.