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Trans people; why is it our responsibility?

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XChrome · 24/06/2024 02:16

Okay, so trans identifying folks say that they need access to women's spaces because they aren't safe in men's spaces. I get that, but it is a problem caused by men. Therefore the solution should be about men, not women. So why isn't the main focus on targeting these men, campaigning for harsher penalties for such hate crimes? Why instead are they expecting women to compensate them for male behavior, making ourselves feel less safe in the process?

I would love for a trans identifying person to answer that question.
Has anyone here ever asked a trans person this question and received an honest answer?

I'm not hardcore "terf" as I respect everyone's right to decide who and what they are. My problem with it is when it conflicts with other people's rights to safety and security. I would really like to them to tell us why the violent men who cause this problem are being let off the hook and women are the ones targeted with all this anti-terf hate.

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SnakesAndArrows · 24/06/2024 07:40

Erm… you are a hardcore terf. So am I apparently. What a time to be alive.

TimGrantsNoAccessToWomen · 24/06/2024 07:38

Well, quite, OP.

I'm not hardcore "terf" as I respect everyone's right to decide who and what they are. My problem with it is when it conflicts with other people's rights to safety and security

That's exactly the 'hardcore terf' position, I'm afraid.

Runor · 24/06/2024 06:11

I have asked exactly this question. The answer always seems to be ‘because transwomen are women’. Any suggestion that that might not be acceptable to women results in fury rather than any kind of recognition that there might actually be an issue, never mind any attempt to find a compromise (eg 3rd spaces).

This is exactly why the ‘both sides are toxic’ comments are so hurtful and lacking in any kind of understanding of the issue. I suggest, OP, that your very reasonable position does indeed make you a ‘hardcore Terf’

I really hope you get some considered answers from posters who believe that it is women’s job to provide them with a ‘safe space’ (thanks for that terminology Kier). Sadly, I doubt you will.

Crankywiddershins · 24/06/2024 05:48

XChrome · 24/06/2024 02:16

Okay, so trans identifying folks say that they need access to women's spaces because they aren't safe in men's spaces. I get that, but it is a problem caused by men. Therefore the solution should be about men, not women. So why isn't the main focus on targeting these men, campaigning for harsher penalties for such hate crimes? Why instead are they expecting women to compensate them for male behavior, making ourselves feel less safe in the process?

I would love for a trans identifying person to answer that question.
Has anyone here ever asked a trans person this question and received an honest answer?

I'm not hardcore "terf" as I respect everyone's right to decide who and what they are. My problem with it is when it conflicts with other people's rights to safety and security. I would really like to them to tell us why the violent men who cause this problem are being let off the hook and women are the ones targeted with all this anti-terf hate.

Is that you, Sir Kier? Stella Creasy is going to give you a big wedgie when she finds out you're talking to us!
Can you do us a favour and explain to David Lammy that you can't get a cervix on prescription from boots?

kkloo · 24/06/2024 04:23

It's absolutely outrageous that the solution to making Trans people feel safe is to make women feel unsafe.

WallaceinAnderland · 24/06/2024 04:10

Because it's the violent men campaigning (as faux trans allies) to gain access to vulnerable women and children. They're on the same side. They are easy to spot, they are often found wearing face masks and shouting at women.

Hermittrismegistus · 24/06/2024 02:24

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