The Times Lead Story - Labour Set To Annihilate Women's Rights

The main drive is that Catholics will accept an annulment of a marriage. What other religions do is up to them. Some accept divorce and remarriage.

I'm not sure we even know if the cooling off period is prior to a GRC being issued do we? A bit like trading regulations where you have 28 days to return something you bought.

I can't find the article now on the Times page. Did it actually say the 2 years comes before a certificate is issued?

Edit - mixed up tenses.

So basically, as a disabled person and a woman, I'm best voting Tory?

The Labour Party have really lost their way.

I shouldn't allow myself to be goaded.

But unfortunately, and I suspect why it keeps happening, it is only too likely that if someone is denying your lived reality you respond.

Its a very strange mind set to have - but one as women we experience all too often from men.

Just dont expect it on FWR.

None of the things you name are comparable to having your marriage unilateral changed from opposite-sex to same-sex or vice-versa.

But not if there is a 2 year pause during which time you can get divorced/annulled.

Where, in Labour's proposal, have they mentioned that the non-transitioning spouse will be automatically notified of the application for a GRC? Because you can't file for divorce ahead of the GRC being finalised unless you know it's been applied for in the first place.

It's also really bad law to put women (and let's be honest, we are talking trans widows not widowers) in a position where they are racing against time to end a marriage before the GRC process finishes. Even automatic notification giving her an 18 month head start doesn't guarantee that the "D"H won't drag things out as much as possible.

Yes, I wondered about that. I think I asked the question, maybe on another thread.

We don't know, they haven't said so we can only assume not.

@TinselAngel This two years to plan a coming out party of reflection, do you know if there will be any requirement to let the spouse know that the process has begun and to get the hell out of dodge, or can they be kept completely out of the loop?

I shouldn't allow myself to be goaded.

Starmer ‘not in favour’ of gender ideology being taught in schools
Not sure this deserves a new thread so adding on here
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/labour-bridget-phillipson-kettering-northamptonshire-britain-b2567771.html

Shame that yet another thread is being side tracked by someone who has an opinion but not a lived experience.

We get rid of one saying how sad we all are because we are frightened of men, and then lo and behold we get another one who has an opinion and feels able to tell someone that their lived experience isn't as important as their opinion.

If ever we needed a "lived" experience of Labour thinking they can tell us how to think even if it contradicts our lived experience, and we should toe the line, just start a thread on FWR and someone will ignore why the thread was started to take the opportunity to say how we think isn't right.

@daffodilsugar

Where is your evidence that trans people have been with us since time immemorial? Give me some evidence from say the 1500s or the time of the Norman conquest in 1066 or caveman days.

Thank you borntobequiet

Given her conversion is so recent I wondering she's actually had chance to vote Labour yet.

OOOH Gerraway!
Hilarious.

Cassie until very recently was a Lib Dem voter. During the time the rest of us were voting Labour.

But delivers to ONLY three streets ( poster's emphasis) so that makes the poster a volunteer NOT an activist. Seemingly.
Despite spending most days on here berating the mean women of FWR for being mean to Keir and said poster.

Cassie said that she wasn’t an activist, though she does deliver leaflets.

I'm sure you said on another thread you weren't a Labour voter, member or supporter.

Or was that another poster?

And the "annulment" - well I would be more sympathetic about it if people weren't such total arses to me on here.

An argument from petulance is rarely a sound argument.

But as it is, lots of us have found our husbands weren't who we thought they were. Lots of us have been lied to, cheated on and abused emotionally and sexually. Lots of us feel the man we married lied throughout. Lots of us have then had a shitty divorce. So why is the "trans" scenario different?

When you marry someone, it may be hard to tell whether that person is a liar, a cheater or an abuser. Often it takes a while to find out. However, it is very easy to tell what sex they are. That’s how it’s different.

Its worth pointing out here I think, that Labour have said they have no intention of pulling back on the recent policies put forth by the Tories to make these processes even harder for the disabled. And have even suggested that these policies "don't go far enough"

Yes, I find this really depressing. No reassurances for carers or claimants, just another fudge. There's a lot of discussion on the Benefits and Work website about it.
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/would-labour-be-better-than-the-conservatives-for-disabled-claimants

Its worth pointing out here I think, that Labour have said they have no intention of pulling back on the recent policies put forth by the Tories to make these processes even harder for the disabled. And have even suggested that these policies "don't go far enough"

Their compassion for the poor and marginalised apparently stops with trans people and doesn't extend to anyone in actual distress.

No one person, easy panel, removal of indignity or dehumanisation for disabled people.

Tragic but doesn't surprise me.

Didn't you previously say that you're not bothered by transwomen using toilets or joining women's groups (knitting if I remember correctly)?

How do you think the ex wives of these men would feel if they encountered them in any of these places?

Its worth pointing out here I think, that Labour have said they have no intention of pulling back on the recent policies put forth by the Tories to make these processes even harder for the disabled. And have even suggested that these policies "don't go far enough"
Their compassion for the poor and marginalised apparently stops with trans people and doesn't extend to anyone in actual distress.

Utter bastards!

Well you clearly don't give a toss about them or you would know, understand and believe them when they say they need to retain the Spousal Exit Clause.

Labour have told us what the process will be and removal of the Spousal Exit Clause is part and parcel of their revision of the GRA.

It is not because you are a Labour voter I don't care who you support or vote for it is because you will never hear any criticism of Labour or KS and dismiss and denigrate all evidence or posters that does that.