The Times Lead Story - Labour Set To Annihilate Women's Rights

Labour won't budge because they don't care. They know they will win, so are just happy to mouth some platitudes.

I’m a woman, I have a mother, aunts, sisters, daughters, nieces and maybe in the future granddaughters. All of our safety, dignity and opportunities are now being threatened by the Labour Party. I stand with JKR by not giving them my vote.

I don’t understand why they think this is so important that they won’t budge on it. The only explanation is that they think it’s in some way a cheap win - but why? Polling suggests that more people oppose it than otherwise, and it shows them as lacking any notion of reality, scientific/ medical evidence or common sense.

I agree with everything you say and will also be voting Tory for the first time not because I want or expect them to win the GE but to reduce a Labour majority.
I'm in a blue seat Labour are hoping to win. I told the Labour canvasser my reasons I wouldn't be voting for them this time and all I got were platitudes and lots of 'we here that a lot but still vote for us' ie no sincere engagement.
It's infuriating but this is probably going to be one of those rare elections where my vote is important and could actually make a difference so that's something.

You don’t get it.

The problem is the fact that bad actors will be able to say they are trans to gain access to women’s spaces. They already are, hence rapes on hospital wards.

Anyone who truly cares about women, to the extent they feel they are one, would care about this. They would want women protected.

But they don’t. Because they don’t recognise the threat. Because they are male.

I was going to spoil my ballot, but now I'm wondering whether to actually vote Tory. I never ever imagined that this is where I'd be and I know that the Tories have fucked up everything else but I can't believe Labour are so fucking stupid. Depending on which polls you believe it might actually make a difference in my area. Though guess I'll email the Labour candidate first.

I've posted on this topic before, and as more is being revealed about Labour's cosy relationship with men pretending to be women, the more adamant I am that I won't vote for them. I owe this to myself, and the women of this country and the girls who will be impacted this, so that when Labour are running the country in a couple of weeks at least I can know that I didn't back their terrible disregard for women.

I want women to be defined as anyone who has two X chromosomes (and yes, that includes those poor unfortunate souls born XXY (if that's what they want) since they didn't choose that).

I find it difficult to believe that someone can see why sport should be split by sex, but no where else.

This post was on another thread, I hope they don’t mind I’ll just copy it here

‘If you actually bothered to read their manifesto you will see they have read the room on this issue and have made plenty of pledges:

🟢 Introduce primary legislation to clarify that the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act means biological sex.
🟢 Amend the NHS Constitution so that it recognises every patient’s right to request single-sex accommodation and same-sex intimate care.
🟢 Make legal gender a reserved matter to the United Kingdom, so the Scottish and Welsh governments cannot introduce self-ID.
🟢 Give parents a right to see what their children are being taught in relationships and sex education.
🟢 Implement the Cass Review recommendations, protecting young people questioning their gender from ideologically driven care and ensuring that gender provision for children in England is evidence-based.
🟢 Make the guidance for schools on gender-questioning children statutory.
🟢 Drop the previous government’s plan to ban so-called “conversion therapy”.
🟢 Legislate to permanently prevent the private prescription and supply of puberty blockers to children with gender distress. ‘

I'd like to see a couple of them pinned down like Sturgeon was when she flubbered about rapist gender.

I guess I'll be spoiling my ballot then. 😡

For a start themConservatives were not planning on reforming the process for getting a GRC to make it much easier to get one. The appalling 2004 Labour introduced legal lie which says a male is female on a birth certificate - which what a GRC allows -
is about to be even easier to get. (NB no requirement for surgery.)
In the first place the bill was passed more or less in secret, but only on the grounds there would only be so few people obtaining one that it wouldn’t matter. It was never supposed to be easier. The removal of a spousal clause means women married to a man who changed their sex ( not uncommon, it seems to be an alternative to a motorbike or an affair for some AGP middle aged men) is put in a difficult legal position.

Then, have a look at the thread about safeguarding children in schools guidance which Conservatives had just finished, about to be undermined by Labour removing parts that prevent teaching that we are all born with a gender identity (which might not match our bodies). The shadow education secretary has evidently not read the first thing about what has been happening to children. It would seem she has not done the most basic research.

Apart from this, Labour will drive through the T inclusive ban on conversion therapy bill, even though transgenderism in itself is used to convert gay children; even though it is not clear what conversion practices on trans people actually are even being carried out in the first place; even though the evidence is that gender questioning children are often autistic, potentially gay, in care, sexually abused, or traumatised. So the last thing that will help them is instant affirmation that the source of their problems is that they are transgender, and that they ought to have harmful body modifications, without first having access to mental health therapies - when these could be suspected of attempting dissuasion/conversion.

(The conservatives had paused this bill pending further investigations on how to word it around the trans element in order to build in safeguards. )

I couldn't be more fucked off if I tried. This bloody party. They said they'd listen, they said they'd moderate their position. They roll out Wes Streeting and you have some hope they aren't totally ridiculous. Then Annalisa Dodds speaks and the sense of dread reappears.

The bit that is enraging is they haven't shift their position at all. "Total" ban on conversion therapies, making GRCs as easy as possible (the focus completely being on the applicant and their supposed distress and no thought given to any person who might want to exploit the process), throwing trans widows under the bus, the removal of safeguarding in school to teach gender drivel to kids.

This has been their position now for years, and despite all the lobbying and shouting and begging, they've stuck with it. They have no idea how callous and moronic they sound to anyone with a passing understanding of what is going on here. What is even more self defeating is the fallout of the gender nonsense is going to continue over the coming years and labour will be held responsible for it, despite it all happening under the tories. They had an opportunity to distance themselves and they totally failed.

Well fuck them. I'm not voting for Labour.

With all due respect, its very clear that when you say 'I don't understand why', you don't understand.
Womens rights matter. If you're struggling to understand how women are impacted by this, then some more reading of these boards should help.
This isn't scaremongering. It's whistleblowing.

I’m a middle age woman and I was recently recalled for further investigations after a routine mammogram. The breast clinic was entirely female staffed from the consultant to the HCA. The trust has a separate male breast clinic. I had to have an ultrasound and a biopsy both of which were uncomfortable, intrusive and exposed but absolutely necessary procedures to determine whether cancer was present. I was so grateful for this single sex space and it helped immensely for me to feel safe at what was otherwise a stressful and worrying time. This is just one example why woman need single sex spaces.

If Labour allows self ID these women only spaces will have to accept trans women staff and patients but still claim it is a women’s only clinic. If anyone questions this or objects they will be labelled transphobes and bigots. I suspect some biological women will be put off attending these clinics as a result, with an increase in them dying from undetected and untreated cancers.

This is inexcusable. If we are talking about changing language, laws, policies, learning to be kind to a few how can the people who advocate that choose to support removing the spousal veto? Talk about indignity? This is only because the people asking for this change are all about men's rights. It's inhumane.

You don’t understand why women need single-sex spaces? Really?

What do Labour think the purpose of a gender certificate is?

Taking their words on face value (yeah I know!) if they are saying women and girls can say no to men in single sex spaces even with a GRC then what is the purpose of this process and resulting certificate that says a man has a lady gender?

What is he going to be able to do with it? What does Labour think he should be doing with it?

Just because Labour is shit, it doesn't mean anyone suddenly thinks Reform suddenly smells like roses.
Politics are not a seesaw where if you don't like one party's policies, you're suddenly in love with another. They're all shite in their own special way.
This is has nothing to do with the other parties anyway.
Labour is due to be the next government. They're the ones whose policies need scrutiny. If it were the Tories predicted for a landslide win, I'd be wanting to hold their feet to the fire too.

The removal of spousal consent is appalling, it was a way for women to exit marriages they no longer wanted to be. A transwoman can still obtain an interim GRC. Fucking awful for women.

What utter fucking bastards Labour are.

It really doesn’t take much imagination to work out why single sex spaces are needed for privacy and dignity for both men and women, and for safety for women.

It takes so little imagination that I am giving the pp serious side eye.

Male supremacy shortly to be rubberstamped, then.

We rarely get rights back. Last time it was the GRA next decimation will conclude it

Agree. The stark facts of Labour's intentions are in front of us and I will not give them my vote. When women's rights have been decimated it will be too late to speak up.

Okay. So you are happy for all spaces to be mixed sex? Including prisons, changing rooms, hospital wards?