The Times Lead Story - Labour Set To Annihilate Women's Rights

But the Conservatives are not planning on making it so much easier; and it is not just a case of getting a no fault divorce as you say.

The biggest noise deafening me, though, is Labour’s plan to not implement
what I consider to be a safeguarding policy regarding ‘gender’ in the the Conservative’s new school guidance policy; and the fact that the shadow education secretary seems unaware of what certain concerns actually are in the first place.

I am also deafened by the noise of what has happened to Rosie Duffield, and how Labour Women’s Declaration were denied a stall by KS. These are reasonable people worthy of respect who are not and never have been transphobes.

There are other noises, but enough of this for now.

@Clabony Yep!
Am I right in thinking there's a mumsnet tradition of discussing baking recipes when that happens? (Not that I will do so- I hate cooking!)

The new shift of nothing to see here must start just after lunch.

Well, no surprise but I think this is a huge fuss about nothing.
At the moment the process specified you have to "live in your affirmed gender" for 2 years. Which is nonsense as "living as a woman" for example says nothing.
Labour are saying you notify them you want to change gender, then there is a 2 year period before the certificate is granted. Plenty of time to get divorced, so that probably is why they are OK getting rid of the exit clause. Long enough to be a hassle for anyone just doing it on a whim, so should weed out opportunists. And it still requires a doctors diagnosis.

Worth saying the Conservatives aren't planning to repeal the GRA so it's all splitting hairs.

Lot of noise over nothing really.

I am thinking of it, but want to double check the voting rights first.

Now is the time to show us though, rather than bets and finger crossed 🤞

@Melroses yep agree to all that. I think though Labour particularly liable though because captured public sector/third sector orgs and staff see themselves as natural Labour allies. It will be an easy 'win' for Labour when the difficulties of, say, managing the energy transition without sacrificing living standards or controlling immigration without increasing labour costs become apparent.

So once again it begs the question what is the point? A special certificate that acknowledges someone's feelings in their head but does nothing practical?

I believe that it started off as being an administrative thing, for a tiny number of people who lead quiet lives etc, but then with the rise of the new and aggressive cohort wtih particular motivations, it has become weaponised into something of great value for trans activists. It's a document that can forever remain hidden that creates uncertainty for those who would like to maintain boundaries but are too intimidated to do so. It's sort of like an Trojan horse in invisible document form.

Clabony, and sadly the majority of them won’t know what she stands for.

I think the deliberate obfuscation (looking at you Kier) is absolutely repellent.

I've had a leaflet through the door from Ashley Dalton (Equalities). MP for West Lancs. No one knocked, but posted, and ran away. Safe Labour seat, thanks to the support of the likes of Skelmersdale.

Not a mention of her LGBTQ++++ support which she usually bangs on about.(The handful of young white men in frocks, and their pals, have gone home from the local uni. Wrong time of year for their votes.)

Whether it's on potholes, anti-social behaviour, flooding, public transport, or SEND provison, I will always stand up for you.

My Constituency Story
How I've been working for you
I started a community conversation of public transport and have been holding the Government to account on the promised money for transport projects in the North
I have also raised the issues of SEND provison in Parliament and have been working with local farmers to resolve issues of flooding in our community

If she's so Proud of her LGBTQ blah credentials which she feels are sooo important the rest of the year, why stay schtum in this local leaflet for local people? Why isn't she saying what she's supporting as Shadow Minister for Equalities? Surely we should be told?

Perhaps because the locals, both townies and country, will say what the actual fuck?

@ScrollingLeaves
Yes the GRA section 12 and Freddy MCConnell Supreme Court judgement are supposed to protect children of transpeople from this coercive control and emotional cruelty.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2023/04/10/paperwork/

But because trans lobby groups keep losing in court (as the courts prioritise child welfare over parental fantasies), trans activists are using workplace/ school policies to undermine the law protecting children's wellbeing and human rights instead.

I think there's a time frame e.g 3 months. So possibly anyone joining now would not be able to vote if Sunak resigns on 5th July..

You have to be a member for a certain amount of time (think it’s 2-3 months) but then you become eligible to vote in Leadership elections as well as selecting your local candidate.

I’m very tempted.

Do you get a right to vote within the party for who is PM and so on?

So once again it begs the question what is the point? A special certificate that acknowledges someone's feelings in their head but does nothing practical?

This could be extended to all kinds of feelings people have about themselves which don't match reality.

OK, do your ostrich impression and let us know how that works out.

He's a lying liar just as he always was.

I had hoped I was being cynical by not trusting him.

Oh, well.

That is extraordinary. Family courts normally allow the father (in this case transwoman) to see their children,even have 50/50 custody, no matter what, to a ridiculous extreme -
even if they have been a serious abuser in many cases. Look up Family Court on Mumsnet to see.

This judge must be very strong minded and unusual. It is good he recognises the harm this man’s choice to be transgender would potentially have on the children.

Look at that book in a poster’s child’s primary school, ‘She’s my Dad’ guilting a child into accepting their father becoming a transwoman ( written by just such a dad).

Well if this is their approach then they are even shitter at politics that I thought. The time to come up with a marvellous compromise that will be fine is now whizzing past and you can see it in the rear view mirror.

Unfortunately, that may not even be an option if Labour change the laws (statutes?)which our carefully constructed case law is based on. Then potentially we will all have to join the religion or lose our jobs (and worse)

there are several links to families of different religions affected by this in this 'Children of Transitioners' article
childrenoftransitioners.org/2022/03/12/no-exit/

@Thelnebriati Yes at a time when mums will be distressed and struggling financially due to what has happened, trying to support traumatised children, and dealing with ostracism from religious communities
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/charedi-woman-manchester/

I agree - I think this is something that affects all governments and it is what has been happening for some time.

I wonder how much effect government actually has on big issues these days.

But, like management in big organisations, they have to be seen to be doing something.

Well, I just joined the Conservative Party. £39.

I'm actually slightly incredulous that this is where I've ended up. Holy crap.

I think it would also help a lot for those whose Catholic religion forbids re marriage in the church following divorce.A legal annulment would make it possible, I think.

You don’t have to be religious though to find it a breach of trust to be married to someone who says they were a woman, or man, all along.