The Times Lead Story - Labour Set To Annihilate Women's Rights

The ghost of Cilla Black appears and shouts Surprise! Surprise!

So which one of them is telling the truth?! It’s so confusing and dispiriting!!

They keep flipping and flopping and sometimes things improve a bit (like them saying they would like to meet with JKR) and sometimes (like today re GRC changes & spousal exit clause) things get a lot worse.

I wonder how and when the spouse find out that their partner has been granted a GRC?

Let’s be honest, Harriet has always been of the not-very-smart Be Kind” variety - look at who else she’s been happy to pander to in the past…,

I don’t see why it would be a huge administrative burden to phase in ID documents that register sex and, where needed, “identified gender” or similar wording.

It allows people to respect the life choices of a trans person day to day and also prevents the obfuscation of actual biology.

but if they were after compromise from the start we wouldn’t be where we are now!

Just listening to a discussion on Times Radio with Andrew Neil. Proceeded by Helen Joyce, then discussed by Michael Gove and Harriet Harman. Harman was incredibly depressing. I'm out, they've sold women down the river. Completely. Worth a listen to on catch up.

Is the arguement here that GRC should be abolished? So a situation where there can be no eg passport with a female marker for any biological male?

Oh look. KS won't allow 'gender ideology' to be taught in schools.
But it's fine to teach that women are toxic and you must be kind children.

Keir Starmer will not allow ‘gender ideology’ to be taught in schools

www.thetimes.com/article/c9e5cc91-2608-4900-a335-df7e0b1352ae?shareToken=4bc4c192b1049503a57264007d2ac0e7

And hence Labour can come up with weaselly stuff about how the spousal exit clause isn't really needed any more because no-fault divorce is available now. But in practice, as PP make clear, it's not that simple.

LBC covering this atm

Presenter doing very well but male caller giving away women’s rights and going on about ‘cisgender’ etc

Men doing this is so irritating

You can still divorce for any reason

Not for women from certain religions, no. This is a very important point on which the whole thing could easily turn, were there to be a legal challenge.

@Grammarnut
No a wife cannot 'veto' a GRC now. it's just an 'exit by annulment' clause to protect her human rights. If she doesn't want to have her sexual orientation forcibly converted/ recorded as lesbian (ie by remaining married to a husband who says he's a woman), or her religion forbids divorce or same 'sex' marriage, he is issued with an 'interim GRC'. Either party can use this to apply for an annulment.

You can still divorce for any reason.

A spouse could never veto a GRC. A spouse had the right to annul the marriage before a certificate was issued so the spouse (in the case of heterosexual women) didn't end up legally speaking in a same sex marriage.

This is what they want to remove. An annulment can be a quicker process than a divorce and in some religions a divorce is not permitted or carries more judgement for a woman than an annulment.

I was a Big Labour Activist. (Leafletting more than three streets at a time a speciality - just saying - for the benefit of the be kind volunteer)

This continuous fudge and failure to clarify is really pissing me off now.

I'd like to vote Labour, but being bullshitted endlessly and patted on the head and being told it'll all be ok, isn't the way to get my vote.

They are removing the right of a wife/partner to veto a GRC. Does this mean that becoming trans will no longer be cause for a divorce?

Haha
Are you trying to seed juicy information for data scrapers?
We don't hate trans we support women. We don't like the Tories but we don't trust labour. Hope that helps.

"I'm not angry, I'm just really disappointed in you"

???

But it might not be the most advisable stance.

THIS.

Also, I'm sick of the blatant propaganda that getting a GRC is 'undignified'. Getting an easyjet flight is demonstrably more undignified than getting a GRC.

Any woman having to see penises in spaces labelled 'women only', possibly with their young children, is far more 'undignified' and affects more people. Also is a safeguarding issue.

What about Dolatowski's child victim? Was the crime against that child less dignified than getting a GRC?

At what point do women and children matter, Phillipson, and how many have to be harmed before you're willing to place their dignity above indulging male wants you massive handmaiden.

Disappointed.

We're letting everyone down. All we need to do is be kind and be quiet!

Ha yes. How disappointed they are

Wes giving it sad eyes this morning apparently

You'd think they'd update their lines. Maybe to include how Very Sad they are they JKR said Mean Things?

I think you’ve got to skip past as no matter what Labour do they’ll just say great

Well it's been going on for years Eastern, old but true. Double crewed hey? How flattering.

You can vote after three months of membership. I think it’ll take around that for them to announce the contest and go through the opening rounds.

Ha that old line still going