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ArabellaScott · 23/06/2024 14:17

Still trying to silence women.

It won't work, lads.

You can try and shame us and smear us and tick us off. You can threaten us and abuse us and try to intimidate us. Sirens and smoke bombs and scoldings.

It doesn't work.

We won't wheesht.

JK Rowling won't 'pipe down'.

KJK won't be quiet.

Rosie Duffield won't be quiet.

None of us are going anywhere, and the more you attack us and try to stop women from speaking, the more clearly you reveal your own misogyny.

Well done to the brave women standing calmly in the face of all that aggressive noisemaking and continuing to speak.

Let Women Speak - Brighton 2024 #LetWomenSpeakBrighton

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BrownTroutBluesAgain · 26/06/2024 17:30

DerekFaker · 26/06/2024 09:02

Edited

A Heartbreaking future for women and girls.

Men are using The Handmaids Tale as a guide to their perfect world !

DerekFaker · 26/06/2024 09:02

Well, this is awful.

https://www.youtube.com/live/XdD2FHZxO8k?si=7lfOENfwgms-L5PpKelly Jay followed by police

AlisonDonut · 25/06/2024 16:46

Amy8 · 25/06/2024 16:29

I've plenty of words for men - but i don't think she does women any favours

Who does do women favours?

It isn't any of the other political parties.

Amy8 · 25/06/2024 16:29

YellowAsteroid · 25/06/2024 15:38

Posie Parker is downright awful and doesn't represent me

I doubt she claims to represent any woman except herself, @Amy8 . But she makes a space for all and any woman to speak.

She invites women who agree with her to support her. But you don't have to, to speak at one of her events.

I wish you would aim your criticism at the men who oppress all women. Not at women of all colours & classes (there were brown suffragettes and working class suffragettes) who are trying to make the world a little better for all of us.

I've plenty of words for men - but i don't think she does women any favours

YellowAsteroid · 25/06/2024 15:38

Posie Parker is downright awful and doesn't represent me

I doubt she claims to represent any woman except herself, @Amy8 . But she makes a space for all and any woman to speak.

She invites women who agree with her to support her. But you don't have to, to speak at one of her events.

I wish you would aim your criticism at the men who oppress all women. Not at women of all colours & classes (there were brown suffragettes and working class suffragettes) who are trying to make the world a little better for all of us.

WickedSerious · 25/06/2024 11:55

Why don't they show their faces?

What are they worried about?

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 25/06/2024 09:51

Just in case anyone missed the crucial photo in the article above
These are the people surrounding the women.
The people outside the shop whilst the women hide for an hour before the police had to turn up with a van to escort them to safety.
The same police who told one women if she didn’t like being harassed to go home.
!!!

Just let women speak
Waxingmoons · 25/06/2024 07:33

Regardless if whether you agree with What women have to say. The fact these groups of mostly men in black that follow LWS around and try to bully them into submission is NOT ACCEPTABLE in a democratic society.

They are not the ones asking for other people to be punched, chocked sucking cock or any such.

All they saying is they don’t want to pretend the lie that sustain Trans ideology: Gender.

DerekFaker · 24/06/2024 22:41

Amy8 · 24/06/2024 21:20

Middle class sufragettes really got the ball rolling with votes for women,

Glad you excluded white from that sentence

Definitely not primed for a fight , I'll leave that to the aforementioned, I don't think she'll get far tbh so that's something.

Well not all of them were white, so it's more accurate

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65727986

Sophia Duleep Singh

Sophia Duleep Singh: Blue plaque honours suffragette Indian princess

Sophia Duleep Singh was the daughter of the last ruler of the Sikh empire and a leading suffragette.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65727986

porridgecake · 24/06/2024 22:35

Not a word of censure about the men and women screaming abuse, threatening violence and drowning out women's voices with their whistles and sirens.

porridgecake · 24/06/2024 22:33

AlisonDonut · 24/06/2024 22:22

I assume the Brighton Batshit Signal has been switched on to provide screenshots.

I agree.

AlisonDonut · 24/06/2024 22:22

I assume the Brighton Batshit Signal has been switched on to provide screenshots.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 24/06/2024 22:04

OldCrone · 24/06/2024 21:25

However, she's gone further in comparing transgender issues as a take over of societal roles of men and women ( white men and women)

What does this mean?

I find the constant referencing of skin colour extremely tasteless.
Not sure if it’s an attempt to label women who speak out as being racist given there’s also been a reference to Nazism,

mrshoho · 24/06/2024 21:36

Amy8 · 24/06/2024 21:13

>>>Thanks for replying. I have not heard about gender replacement theory. Could you explain a bit about it please.

Nearly all her rhetoric is based on the fundamental premise of men and women's biological differences and how that can't be changed -
However, she's gone further in comparing transgender issues as a take over of societal roles of men and women ( white men and women), and her rhetoric is neo nazist in its undertone even if she does claim to steer away from all that - she continues to use inflammatory language , that is very worrying and should be to most real feminists.

A

However, she's gone further in comparing transgender issues as a take over of societal roles of men and women ( white men and women), and her rhetoric is neo nazist in its undertone even if she does claim to steer away from all that - she continues to use inflammatory language , that is very worrying and should be to most real feminists

That's interesting, what is it about her rhetoric that has neo nazist undertones? I've only seen videos of her campaigning for single sex spaces and for maintaining parental authority when it comes to caring for children. I am in agreement with her on these issues and on her definition of woman.

Brefugee · 24/06/2024 21:30

OldCrone · 24/06/2024 21:25

However, she's gone further in comparing transgender issues as a take over of societal roles of men and women ( white men and women)

What does this mean?

good question. Because it looks as though it means women should be home makers and men should be breadwinners?

Brefugee · 24/06/2024 21:29

Amy8 · 24/06/2024 21:20

Middle class sufragettes really got the ball rolling with votes for women,

Glad you excluded white from that sentence

Definitely not primed for a fight , I'll leave that to the aforementioned, I don't think she'll get far tbh so that's something.

yeah, you are one of those who just wants to pick holes.
carry on your merry way.

and i will carry on pressing for everyone's rights.

OldCrone · 24/06/2024 21:25

However, she's gone further in comparing transgender issues as a take over of societal roles of men and women ( white men and women)

What does this mean?

AlisonDonut · 24/06/2024 21:22

Amy8 · 24/06/2024 21:13

>>>Thanks for replying. I have not heard about gender replacement theory. Could you explain a bit about it please.

Nearly all her rhetoric is based on the fundamental premise of men and women's biological differences and how that can't be changed -
However, she's gone further in comparing transgender issues as a take over of societal roles of men and women ( white men and women), and her rhetoric is neo nazist in its undertone even if she does claim to steer away from all that - she continues to use inflammatory language , that is very worrying and should be to most real feminists.

A

Nearly all her rhetoric is based on the fundamental premise of men and women's biological differences and how that can't be changed

Well, yes. It can't be.

Men cannot change into women. And men don't seem to be able to lose male pattern violence and behaviour when they do say they are women.

she continues to use inflammatory language, that is very worrying and should be to most real feminists

Women can use whatever language they want to use, surely it would be 'feminist' to allow other women their own thoughts and words? When you say 'real feminists' do you mean second wave, radical, liberal? What exactly are you comparing her to? Who says who is 'real' or not?

Amy8 · 24/06/2024 21:20

Middle class sufragettes really got the ball rolling with votes for women,

Glad you excluded white from that sentence

Definitely not primed for a fight , I'll leave that to the aforementioned, I don't think she'll get far tbh so that's something.

Brefugee · 24/06/2024 21:19

Nearly all her rhetoric is based on the fundamental premise of men and women's biological differences and how that can't be changed

is she incorrect?

her rhetoric is neo nazist in its undertone even if she does claim to steer away from all that

i tend not to listen to her because she's not a feminist and i have limited time. What has she said that is neo-nazi? that would be concerning if it is being conflated with women's rights issues.

that is very worrying and should be to most real feminists

what is a "real feminist"? At the risk of repeating myself: KJK does not claim to be a feminist, in fact she has been very specific about not being a feminist. But she is consistent in her belief that a woman is an adult human female and that humans can't change sex. What is wrong in those statements?

What would you like people at LWS to say (or what would you say if you were given the microphone?)

Brefugee · 24/06/2024 21:14

Amy8 · 24/06/2024 20:40

>>>What specifically is it that you find so awful about KJK?

With all due respect I'll state my views on her and we can agree to disagree but I'm
Certainly entitled to my opinions - I can see this is a pro posie thread

I am on the side of her many critics, labour and non labour supporters- but namely

  1. Her association with the far right
  2. Her comments on gender replacement theory worry me greatly in the associations she's making - these associations would be terribly triggering for many immigrant communities and I rather not repeat them here.

But anyway enjoy her views

i have zero truck with KJK. You seem primed for a fight. We are not your enemy no matter what you think

Middle class sufragettes really got the ball rolling with votes for women, alongside working class women. would you rather they hadn't bothered?

Amy8 · 24/06/2024 21:13

>>>Thanks for replying. I have not heard about gender replacement theory. Could you explain a bit about it please.

Nearly all her rhetoric is based on the fundamental premise of men and women's biological differences and how that can't be changed -
However, she's gone further in comparing transgender issues as a take over of societal roles of men and women ( white men and women), and her rhetoric is neo nazist in its undertone even if she does claim to steer away from all that - she continues to use inflammatory language , that is very worrying and should be to most real feminists.

A

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 24/06/2024 21:13

@Amy8 i can see this is a pro posie thread

There you go speaking for other women. I thought you were against others making assumptions about what women want and yet this sweeping statement is completly incorrect in your biased labelling of everyone on this thread.

I am not anti trans
I am also not in favour of women being harassed, chased and terrified when trying to speak

Which is what this thread is about!

mrshoho · 24/06/2024 20:55

Amy8 · 24/06/2024 20:40

>>>What specifically is it that you find so awful about KJK?

With all due respect I'll state my views on her and we can agree to disagree but I'm
Certainly entitled to my opinions - I can see this is a pro posie thread

I am on the side of her many critics, labour and non labour supporters- but namely

  1. Her association with the far right
  2. Her comments on gender replacement theory worry me greatly in the associations she's making - these associations would be terribly triggering for many immigrant communities and I rather not repeat them here.

But anyway enjoy her views

Thanks for replying. I have not heard about gender replacement theory. Could you explain a bit about it please.