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Men in Tajikistan ban women from wearing hijab. Man in US protests.

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DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 12:34

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-condemns-ban-on-hijab-islamic-clothing-in-tajikistan/

'CAIR Research and Advocacy Director Corey Saylor. “We condemn this draconian, repressive law and urge the Tajik government to reverse this decision.”'

The clothing ban is an interesting issue, but this morning it was the absurdity of men across the world arguing about how women should or shouldn't dress that really struck me when reading this article.

I wonder what the women of Tajikistan think?

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TheSunnyStock · 23/06/2024 23:41

Muslim women have very little power to do ,dress as they want to! Men have all the power and women and girls shoulder all the honour. You may have a few Muslim women who say it is their choice to wear the hijab or burka. However choice is only a real choice when there are alternatives available but if the men in their household dictate that THEIR women wear a hijab ,a woman in the family not following this is implausible ,she risks not having a family , being thrown out in an environment were she would be seen as the lowest of creatures and with no route to support herself . She would also lose any children she has, she could even lose her life ( honour killings ). So where's the choice ? I was brought up in a Muslim household, the same happened to me but luckily I was able to support myself ,I was brought up in England but I was and am still regarded as scandalous within the Muslim community I was brought up in.

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DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 20:20

'In 2017, the government embarked on a campaign using automated phone calls urging women to wear Tajiki dresses. A year later, it released a 376-page handbook on appropriate clothing for women, titled ‘The Guidebook Of Recommended Outfits In Tajikistan’. The guide lists acceptable garment materials, lengths, colours and shapes, and allows for a coloured head-scarf to be used only in the traditional Tajik sense — tied behind the head without covering the face and neck. It bans black garments at funerals, recommending a blue outfit with a white headscarf.

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DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 20:19

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 23/06/2024 20:11

Or that women don't support the ban?

As I said, the ban itself is an interesting issue. I can't find much info on the vote, but it seems the law was largely the will of the president.

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-global/tajikistan-muslim-hijab-ban-9410457/

Tajikistan hijab ban: With 90% Muslim population, why this decision was made

Tajikistan's President Emomali Rahmon has earlier described the hijab as “foreign clothing” and taken steps to minimise the visibility of public religiosity. It is deeply linked to his politics and grip on power.

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-global/tajikistan-muslim-hijab-ban-9410457

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biscuitandcake · 23/06/2024 20:17

Men have developed AI programmes that will artificially remove the clothes from images of women effectively producing porn from perfectly innocent photos (against thesubjects consent)
Simultaneously, men have also developed AI programmes that will ADD clothes to women to make them look more modest/trad. This is being used by men on photos of porn stars in particular.

Both very popular. As far as I know no-one has developed AI based programmes to do the same to men.

Of course, you can't extrapolate to all men from this. But it is nonetheless a fascinating insight into the way (at least some of) the male mind works. Absolutely fascinating.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 23/06/2024 20:11

soupfiend · 23/06/2024 12:45

Given there is a growing number of female leaders, why is it assumed its men who have banned the hijab

Or that women don't support the ban?

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DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 12:56

https://data.ipu.org/parliament/TJ/TJ-LC01/

Women make up 27.0% of the lower assembly.

Unfortunately, the Tajikistan internet seems to be down, which is hampering my research. I was going to try and find out more about the vote.

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DrNickedMaCorpus · 23/06/2024 12:52

soupfiend · 23/06/2024 12:45

Given there is a growing number of female leaders, why is it assumed its men who have banned the hijab

Yes, this did occur to me after I posted! Which is why I went digging. The sex balance in government is better than I'd assumed, although the President and Prime Minister and majority of the government are male, and from what I read the society is extremely patriarchal in nature.

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soupfiend · 23/06/2024 12:45

Given there is a growing number of female leaders, why is it assumed its men who have banned the hijab

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