"Inclusive" policy of no female leaders

I've just returned to this thread - yes! Chesterton's Fence! Great article @duc748

Think of the intricate web of social norms that govern human interaction. Many of these norms may seem arbitrary or outdated, ripe for reform. But each norm became a norm to serve some purpose – to foster cooperation, to prevent conflict, to maintain order. To sweep them away without understanding their role in the social ecosystem is to invite chaos

Hits home.

Thanks @duc748 , you’ve saved me a Google!

Which made me find this, which I thought was interesting:
https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/#:~:text=Chesterton's%20Fence%20is%20a%20principle,a%20parable%20by%20G.K.%20Chesterton.

I can't think of the phrase but.. ask yourself why the wall was built in the first place before you dismantle it?

Chesterton's fence.

I can't think of the phrase but.. ask yourself why the wall was built in the first place before you dismantle it?

Why do these idiots think male and female categories were created for leadership positions, sport, awards, toilets etc etc in the first place?

It wasn't because they wanted to make things less equal back then, was it?

It's all going backwards for women & girls and we're labelling it 'progress'.

You're too generous. There'd be an election the next week for a deputy.

As the Americans say, don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.

If, by some miracle, two girls were consistently chosen, I wonder how long the gender neutral policy would last? I'm betting two years, tops.

cupcaske123 · Today 22:22

The Scots are pouring money into them. I have no idea whatsoever why trans ideology in schools is a priority over anything else.

I think it's simply virtue signalling: Look at us, aren't we kind, tolerant and righteous!

Except that the very opposite, they're rigid, intolerant and authoritarian. No dissent is allowed, or you're hounded out. They've upended the words tolerant and inclusive.

No way. I'll never forget reading a study that showed when schoolgirls spoke 50 per cent of the time in a mixed-sex class, teachers perceived them as talking too much. Girls need equal opportunities down on paper otherwise they don't get them.

Progressive, inclusion, diversity etc are all words that are now being used to EXCLUDE actual females. I don't think even George Orwell could have predicted how this could have turned out this way, he was talking about something very different, but the concepts are the same.

SO TIRED OF THIS SHIT!!!

The Scots are pouring money into them. I have no idea whatsoever why trans ideology in schools is a priority over anything else.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64264069

cupcaske123 · Today 21:24

I thought that's what gender neutral meant; male normative. Inclusivity means inclusive of men and boys.

That's the only logical conclusion, isn't it? They're sucking up to the notorious LGBYS group, which has had a number of sexual abuse scandals, why on Earth would they want to have anything to do with them?

I thought that's what gender neutral meant; male normative. Inclusivity means inclusive of men and boys. Obvs.

It is more equal for the boys and they are the important ones. Girls need to learn that they are the second class citizens and school is the perfect place for that...

That's because she didn't intend to comment on that 2017 Telegraph newspaper article. That link is there because I copy-and-pasted part of the current MSN article that is the subject of this thread, complete with MSN's choice of embedded hyperlinks.

I should've previewed and edited the random hyperlinks out, but I didn't.

I'm not sure how your comments relate to the article you quote "What happened when a primary school went gender-neutral", which isn't anything directly involving transgenderism. The article sounds very positive and (apart from the toilets) sounds like something that we should be supporting - trying to change the differential treatment of girls and boys, and the expectations that each sex will behave in a certain way. I'll look out for the documentary.

The organisation advises schools that terms such as “head pupil” are “more inclusive” as alternatives may distress pupils who identify as transgender or non-binary.

Let’s not worry about any of the actual girls who might be distressed by being completely written out of everything. As long as the couple of they/them’s, that might or might not exist are centred, then everyone HAS to be happy.

FFS

Did you read the bit that said: “There have been multiple studies which show that in this type of election, girls are perfectly willing to vote for boys but boys will typically only vote for other boys."?

Do you understand how that skews the results?

Tsk anyone would think we were in a patriarchy. Parliament is 75 per cent male, because the majority of men are best for the job. They know what's best for women, just like a head boy knows how best to lead and motivate the girls.

@kitsuneghost Except that boys/men are still often chosen, even if they are less qualified than the female candidates. There is a lot of research on this.

"Controversial charity" is quite the description of LGBTYS. How this outfit still has so much sway over public life in Scotland boggles my mind.

Most people want...

Do they? Do they really? I think what most people want is fairness. I'll just say, it might be two girls next year, but I know where my betting money would be going. Based on what's happened everywhere that similar measures have been instigated.

What, like parliament 'just happens' to be male dominated? And all of the FTSE100 top companies leadership posts? And all of the highest paid actors and sports people? All those men were just the best for the job and women need to try harder?

Nothing to see here.