WOMAN'S HOUR TODAY!

They’re professional politicians responding to stick and carrot. Tell the truth (that men can’t be women and that there is a conflict between trans demands and women’s safety) and find yourself ostracised, unpromotable, on the end of a witch hunt and death threats (stick). Fudge the issue and refuse to see the problem - get promoted as a good little woman (carrot). They’re just toadies climbing the slippery pole. Nuala is operating in the same carrot and stick environment of course. I usually feel she tries her best unlike full on trans handmaiden Anita Rani.

What she said was that women SHOULD have more children. Not if they want to or make it easier. She clearly said they should.

She also said most women want to be in the home with children, which I dispute.

I also don't see anything in their manifesto to financially support women. In fact the benefits section is all about motivating people back into work. We know women being financially reliant on men leaves them vulnerable. There's real contradiction in their policies and I don't see them as pro-women at all.

That would be bizarre. Why would it be mostly women? There's no reason I can think of, unless the maternity wards are pink and glittery?

It’s not wataboutery - you said they give a monkeys about women, I pointed out that they don’t. And it’s extraordinary that you call me rude when so far you have called me an arse and told me to shut up!

Yes - why don't they ask about men in maternity?

Is it because its only (whisper it "women", the real ones that is) use maternity services.

What about pregnant MEN?

They want to support women to stay at home with young children if they want to. Which many women do.

They don't have a policy to ban women from working fgs.
This barefoot and pregnant trope is so anti women.

How did we get to a point where supporting mothers to be with their children is anti women?

Feminism has really lost its way.

This is from the reform website on schools:

"No gender questioning, social transitioning or pronoun swapping. Inform parents of under 16s about their children’s life decisions. Schools must have single sex facilities."

I agree with this.

They also say they want to 'ban transgender ideology in schools' which I don't agree with - it should be discussed but as a belief (an illogical one with no evidence base) alongside other religions and criticism and debate welcomed. But teachers should not be actively promoting it and punishing children who don't pretend to believe, which is where we're currently at.

The whole document reads as a bit rushed (Rishi took everyone by surprise because he's presumably got a nice job offer for August) but they speak more common sense on this than most of the other parties.

It just feels like it can't be real, that this is the opening for some dystopian novel but this is the reality we have.

These were women. On Woman’s Hour. Asked a question about women. But talked about trans instead.

Nuala - what about the men? Ooh why doesn't she ask what a man is? And what about the ones that wear dresses or pink leggings?

Almost everything the Reform candidate has said since that opening question has horrified me personally. I don't believe they support women AT ALL. I think they want women barefoot and pregnant in the home. She's pretty much said as much (except the barefoot bit).

It's strange how they all trot out the "I have friends who are trans" line. Never "I have friends who are women."

Well according to the WH discussion that we’ve all just listened to, and upon which this discussion is based, the Reform candidate was the only one who gave much of a shit about, or even mentioned the word, woman.

Start your own thread about manifestos, and shut up with your whataboutery. That WH performance was an absolute shit show and you know it.

I've been reading manifestos and Reform has some quite refreshing clarity about protecting women's rights and child safeguarding in schools.

Well it's a lot better debate than it was in 2019. Reform woman was so I articulate I couldn't listen to her and she failed to make the case. Given they only have about 5 policies it's slightly worrying.

Labour thank god have moved on and actually used Adult Female. Fuck me, that would have not happened last time. Given how middle of the road Labour are being in everything it's good to know that this is now considered middle of the road.

But not apparently any of the liberal women politicians on Women's Hour to talk about women. They are your elected representatives.

Daisy Cooper making misogyny a hate crime. Lol - Physician heal thyself springs to mind!

I was thinking the same. Who do they mean when they say women, girls, children, male violence? The SNP candidate must be so confused, poor thing, since biology has no bearing on identity. 😅

I did listen, yes. And I maintain suggesting that Reform give a monkeys about women is ridiculous. Their policies (which thankfully they will never gain sufficient power to enact) are an utter disaster for women.

@WhatANiceNewWord - I won't vote for Reform unless hell freezes over and like you will probably not vote at all which doesn't sit well with me as I am mid 50s and have always voted. But I cannot in all good conscience vote for any of these people.

They are now talking about VAWG but bet your bottom dollar they don't link back to what they mean by which "women" they are talking about.

How the hell do they compartmentalise these issues? Are they really this thick?

What?? Huge swathes of the GC movement is made up of liberal/left wing/socialist women. That’s why so many (including me) say they feel politically homeless.

Reform may have sounded they were talking sense on this issue but having decided they know what a woman is, they seem to also believe that women should have more children and stay at home to look after them.

So only vote reform of you agree with those policies too!

Did you listen to the broadcast @GC5? of course manifestos matter, as do interviews with representatives heard by millions of voters. Which is what this thread is in fact about.

Also I don’t care if you think my view is ridiculous. I think you are a rude arse.

Dear God. There is only one answer to “Will you implement the recommendations of the most comprehensive review of treatment of gender dysphoric children ever undertaken over 4 years by a team led by one of the UKs most eminent paediatricians?”

Anything other than a firm “yes” means you prefer ideology over evidence based care for children