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JontyB · 19/06/2024 13:38

Helleofabore · 17/06/2024 19:59

So he is of the belief though that a man becomes a woman with his penis removed.

He really either does not understand the issues in depth or he believes that women’s spaces and opportunities are a reward for males without penises, but are still male people.

No, I think he is of the belief that some women are born with penises, and that, after lopping them off, they should be welcome in women's spaces!
Not that that's any better.

SinnerBoy · 18/06/2024 09:28

Quite why anyone gives column space to this superannuated war criminal and dictators' boot licker is mystifying to me.

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MotherFeministWoman · 18/06/2024 00:36

I hate this man with a burning passion. So much of the political landscape is his fault.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2024 22:48

Misinformation is a weapon of mass destruction

Helleofabore · 17/06/2024 19:59

So he is of the belief though that a man becomes a woman with his penis removed.

He really either does not understand the issues in depth or he believes that women’s spaces and opportunities are a reward for males without penises, but are still male people.

lcakethereforeIam · 17/06/2024 19:48

I'd believe in weapons of mass destruction before I'd believe a woman could have a penis (and I never bought the weapons of mass destruction lie).

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Abhannmor · 17/06/2024 16:37

duc748 · 17/06/2024 12:15

Well, he's not a left/right kinda guy. As PP say, he's clearly given the matter at least two minutes of thought.

Bit he's a pretty regular kind of guy.

And weapons of mass destruction are , like , totally real.

duc748 · 17/06/2024 16:32

Back than I'd have said, a rare moment of truth from Tony B. Liar! 😀

GiveMeMySoddingCokeZero · 17/06/2024 16:21

Imagine going back in time and telling your 1999 self that in 25 years, "Tony Blair: A woman has a vagina and a man has a penis" would be a genuine headline in the Telegraph.

You'd think you'd gone crackers.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 17/06/2024 15:24

teawamutu · 17/06/2024 12:18

Is Blair wading in going to help us with Starmer? I fear it won't but would be glad to be wrong.

Tbh that's how I saw it. Sorry Tony, it's too little too late.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 17/06/2024 15:11

Beowulfa · 17/06/2024 11:41

I had been wondering what Blair in his political prime would have made of the trans issue. I'd like to think he was astute politician enough to go with the common sense majority and not make himself look stupid being unable to answer basic questions. But of course he was heavily influenced by US foreign policy, so may have been suggestible to gender-woo from that direction.

I remember reading some time ago that Blair advised the current Labour Party not to get involved in trans issues because it was a vote loser. You can see how well that's gone 😂

McDonnellsfriend789 · 17/06/2024 15:09

knittin · 17/06/2024 12:54

Kier is busy silencing everyone else and calling any debate “culture wars”

Yes because that’s probably necessary prior to the election. Let’s hope he speaks out afterwards.

McDonnellsfriend789 · 17/06/2024 15:07

Forester1 · 17/06/2024 13:22

I agree that I don’t think he fully gets it - but still glad to see him raising the issue as helps with the sunlight

Yep, me too.

Triestre · 17/06/2024 15:06

That stupid man did so much damage. We are still paying for so much non sense. I loathe him so much and Angela Merkel. Couple of idiots.

CorruptedCauldron · 17/06/2024 15:05

Tony, it’s not really about penises in women’s spaces, it’s about biological males in women’s spaces. A male person, with or without a functioning John Thomas, is still a male person, no matter how he identifies. Sex is real.

Bobbotgegrinch · 17/06/2024 14:35

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2024 12:43

'“Secondly, there may be situations, for example, where you have people who still have male genitalia but are in a changing room with women, and women will feel uncomfortable with that.
“They shouldn’t feel uncomfortable, so you’ve got to protect that.”'

It has nothing to do with whether or not he has his penis removed, Tone. Women don't want to share spaces with men, that's all.

I remind you of your charming ex erstwhile Labour candidate Sarah Jane Baker, who castrated himself in prison, and was recalled for inciting violence towards women.

[edited as I don't think Baker was approved as an official candidate]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11655647/Labour-MPs-attend-protest-trans-activist-jailed-murder-bid.html

Edited

To be fair, men who have "their penis removed", still have male genitalia. Having your genitalia surgically altered doesn't magically turn it into the opposite sexes, it just means you've butchered your cock.

Thats probably not what Blair means though.

LakeTiticaca · 17/06/2024 14:21

Well slap me with a lettuce leaf and call me Vera
Who would have thought that?

duc748 · 17/06/2024 13:27

(Even) in the Telegraph, I hate the terms in which it's presented.

Former PM wades into the transgender debate

There is no 'debate'. This isn't the fucking Oxford Union. There are people who believe in material reality, and people who believe in genderwoo (even though I think the 'true believers' are a pretty small proportion).

Forester1 · 17/06/2024 13:22

I agree that I don’t think he fully gets it - but still glad to see him raising the issue as helps with the sunlight

knittin · 17/06/2024 12:54

Kier is busy silencing everyone else and calling any debate “culture wars”

GailBlancheViola · 17/06/2024 12:46

The usual about protecting single sex spaces, services and sports but absolutely NO detail on HOW.

Some waffle from Anas Sawar about appropriate guidance, that was what the EqA was supposed to hold and look how that has ended up.

It's not appropriate guidance that is needed it is cold, hard law with sanctions/punishment for those who don't abide by it.

I wish journalists and political interviewers would find their balls and actually ask and not let go until these questions are answered. Also, hold their feet to the fire when they are asked questions about women's rights and instead talk about the alphabet crew and trans rights.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2024 12:43

'“Secondly, there may be situations, for example, where you have people who still have male genitalia but are in a changing room with women, and women will feel uncomfortable with that.
“They shouldn’t feel uncomfortable, so you’ve got to protect that.”'

It has nothing to do with whether or not he has his penis removed, Tone. Women don't want to share spaces with men, that's all.

I remind you of your charming ex erstwhile Labour candidate Sarah Jane Baker, who castrated himself in prison, and was recalled for inciting violence towards women.

[edited as I don't think Baker was approved as an official candidate]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11655647/Labour-MPs-attend-protest-trans-activist-jailed-murder-bid.html

Labour MPs attend protest with activist who was jailed for murder bid

Labour MPs have been blasted for sharing a platform with a transgender activist who was previously jailed for attempted murder and kidnap.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11655647/Labour-MPs-attend-protest-trans-activist-jailed-murder-bid.html

Floisme · 17/06/2024 12:40

Well he e clearly doesn't 'completely get it' at all. But I don't suppose he's ever going to say, 'Sorry women, I fucked up.'

At least he doesn't try and pretend it's all a culture war. And he doesn't do an Anneliese Dodds and claim the GRA is one of the towering achievements of any Labour government. So there's that I suppose.

If he really wants to help clear up out his own mess, maybe he could meet with the Labour Women's Declaration as it seems the current leadership are too frit or too lazy to bother.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2024 12:35

And what has Starmer said?

What's Starmer said about Rosie Duffield not attending hustings?

Why is he silent?