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Rosie Duffield and threats

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RedToothBrush · 14/06/2024 17:54

She's pulled out of local hustings because it's not safe for her to attend.

But Don't worry.

Keir Starmer will be along to offer his support to Rosie and condemn these attacks on democracy soon...

Rosie Duffield and threats
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biddyboo · 15/06/2024 22:33

Tallisker · 15/06/2024 22:17

We definitely work for the same employer Grin

Haha you know how it is then 😅 Although I noticed that the comments criticising SEEN were deleted (eventually) so I guess that's progress.

duc748 · 15/06/2024 22:30

I must have missed all Angela Rayner's previous public messages of support for Rosie. 🙄

Tallisker · 15/06/2024 22:17

We definitely work for the same employer Grin

biddyboo · 15/06/2024 22:13

Tallisker · 15/06/2024 20:01

@biddyboo we might work for the same employer, I heard someone was suing because they allowed SEEN to exist. Any news on that case?

There's been no update for a while, so still just waiting I think.

People were grumbling about the SEEN network again recently because there was a blog on the intranet from a member. It was for pride month and she is a lesbian (but the boring, traditional kind of lesbian 😉).

Tallisker · 15/06/2024 20:01

@biddyboo we might work for the same employer, I heard someone was suing because they allowed SEEN to exist. Any news on that case?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/06/2024 19:27

biddyboo · 15/06/2024 18:57

I am also heartened by how many SEEN networks there are now - in education, the police, journalism, the NHS etc. A very different situation to a year ago.

This. Finally employees are able to speak the truth with some levels of protection. I'm hugely grateful to all the brave women and men who have set up these much needed networks.

biddyboo · 15/06/2024 18:57

I am also heartened by how many SEEN networks there are now - in education, the police, journalism, the NHS etc. A very different situation to a year ago.

biddyboo · 15/06/2024 18:54

Runor · 15/06/2024 17:47

Well, it’s now entirely clear where Starmer stands, both on protecting women’s single-sex spaces, and also it seems, VAWG. Certain posters have been telling us that really he’s GC, and after the election everything will be fine.

Some people will choose to vote for labour for other reasons, and that is totally understandable. However, nobody should imagine that, on this topic, labour (lib dems / greens) will be anything but a complete shit show. We can fully expect that the legal progress we have been making will be thwarted, and any minor shifts in the nhs and education to be reversed.

Surely we deserve a better choice than this?!

I am trying to be optimistic about the situation. It may not be on everyone's radar, but I think more people have had their eyes opened to what the issues are and public opinion has definitely shifted.

Plus there are quite a few GC tribunals in the pipeline. I'm hopeful that these will result in wins and that the more case law there is the more HR departments and employers will have to pay attention. Someone is taking my employer to a tribunal because they want the SEEN network disbanded (amongst other things). I have my fingers crossed they will lose and then it should put an end to the harassment and bullying members of the SEEN network face on a frequent basis.

Whoever forms the next government can't ignore this and there will be push back if they do. My biggest fear would be a coalition between Labour and the Greens because the Greens have totally lost the plot and would definitely leverage their position to try to push stuff through.

5475878237NC · 15/06/2024 18:37

Runor · 15/06/2024 17:47

Well, it’s now entirely clear where Starmer stands, both on protecting women’s single-sex spaces, and also it seems, VAWG. Certain posters have been telling us that really he’s GC, and after the election everything will be fine.

Some people will choose to vote for labour for other reasons, and that is totally understandable. However, nobody should imagine that, on this topic, labour (lib dems / greens) will be anything but a complete shit show. We can fully expect that the legal progress we have been making will be thwarted, and any minor shifts in the nhs and education to be reversed.

Surely we deserve a better choice than this?!

I think you're spot on. So where does that leave us? If you're someone who believes in the restoration of decent public services, improving infrastructure, have a liberal and trauma informed view of the mass movement of people around the world, want action on the climate crisis and protection of the rights of women and girls....who do you vote for?!

Runor · 15/06/2024 17:47

Well, it’s now entirely clear where Starmer stands, both on protecting women’s single-sex spaces, and also it seems, VAWG. Certain posters have been telling us that really he’s GC, and after the election everything will be fine.

Some people will choose to vote for labour for other reasons, and that is totally understandable. However, nobody should imagine that, on this topic, labour (lib dems / greens) will be anything but a complete shit show. We can fully expect that the legal progress we have been making will be thwarted, and any minor shifts in the nhs and education to be reversed.

Surely we deserve a better choice than this?!

lonelywater · 15/06/2024 17:40

Starmer thinks this is, at best, a peripheral issue which doesn't really bother enough people to merit serious attention. And he is, sadly, probably right which means we can look forward to a shit storm of gender woo when they get elected.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 15/06/2024 17:34

ActivePeony · 15/06/2024 11:37

I feel the same but I honestly think that at this point I would walk. Enough now.

Starmer's words on VAWG are sounding very hollow this morning.

This.

Why on earth should we believe what's in the manifesto about reducing VAWG when this is how he's responding to Rosie being unable at attend hustings.

He's done sweet FA now and that's what he'd do for women if elected.

BezMills · 15/06/2024 17:24

He disgusts me. He's a coward and a hypocrite.

And to be fair, from the limited menu available, imo our least worst option for next UK PM.

Fuck.

mrshoho · 15/06/2024 17:19

BezMills · 15/06/2024 16:12

In a GE campaign, which Labour is apparently keen to win, you'd think one of their candidates being so threatened that they have effectively withdrawn from campaigning, would be a priority.

I looked on Keir's X account today. He has posted condolences to the ex Arsenal player Kevin Campbell, best wishes HM King Charles for trouping of the colour, best wishes to the Princess of Wales following her recent statement, best wishes to the Scotland football team, remembrance to the Grenfell Tower victims. Not a word of support to one of his own party MP Rosie Duffield who is being aggressively threatened. It's disgusting.

BezMills · 15/06/2024 16:12

In a GE campaign, which Labour is apparently keen to win, you'd think one of their candidates being so threatened that they have effectively withdrawn from campaigning, would be a priority.

CassieMaddox · 15/06/2024 16:10

ActivePeony · 15/06/2024 14:14

This is the problem. When support is given, its not good enough

Violetparis · 15/06/2024 15:48

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2024 08:50

Need to point out here that Harriet Harman couldn't reply to Rosie.

No one can reply to Rosie's original tweet because of the privacy settings.

Fair point. I do think Harriet Harmen and Jess Phillips could have named Rosie in their tweets though.

Barefootsally · 15/06/2024 15:19

PronounssheRa · 14/06/2024 18:03

I've checked keir starmers twitter the Labour party's twitter and Angela raynors.

Nothing, yet. But this is violence and threats of violence which is disrupting democracy so I hope to see something soon.....

This INFURIATES me!!!

And I REALLY doubt either of them will say a word because they havnt in the past even when Lloyd Russel was spitting in rage at Rosie.

This is why I will never trust Labour. Can’t trust any of them!

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BezMills · 15/06/2024 14:44

I can't stand Farage but he should not be getting milkshakes etc thrown at him. That's unacceptable.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2024 14:17

ActivePeony · 15/06/2024 12:50

But at what cost to her? She is easily accessible as an MP - look at what recently happened to Farage - and I worry that she will get hurt. She is amazing but I do think that she is trapped in an abusive relationship with Labour.

She knows that if something happens to her, then it becomes a problem that can't be ignored.

If she gets hurt then someone becomes accountable.

Whats missing now is the accountability. At the moment it is like an abusive relationship where 'she gets what she deserves' with no grown ups intervening.

Farage also knows this. Every time he gets stuff thrown at him, it makes him look more reasonable to a certain audience and the other side look more unreasonable (not without justification I might add). It normalises him. (Rosie on the other hand is normalised to begin with).

Farage isn't good at political detail and governance. He is good at communications and political messaging. Rosie is good at political detail but is getting a bad press currently because she hasn't the means to compete with the Labour Party machine. If she goes viral though, all bets are off.

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PronounssheRa · 15/06/2024 13:54

Has KS come out and said anything in support of Jess Phillips, Stella Creasey or Diane Abbott?

This isn't really a winning argument because if they answer is yes, then he is singling Rosie out. If the answer is no he is saying nothing while female MPs for the party he is the leader of are facing continuous abuse.

DameMaud · 15/06/2024 13:40

It's interesting, but painful, that it's women like RD and JKR who have a history of being subject to abuse dynamics, that are at the forefront of publically standing up for women at this crazy time.

Their history, I think, is what enabled them to recognise these dynamics at play in the culture in the first place, and inspired and empowered them to courageously stand up for others.

They then have to re-live and face the same dynamics again as they do so.

It's a painful arc to witness, but also I can see how it is part of a healing cycle- and that through it they are serving others through their own process- much like the 'wounded healer' concept.

I don't know what that means in terms of Rosie staying or leaving.

To my mind, whatever she chooses to do, Rosie and JKR are absolute warriors.

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