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Gardening: Lizzy Pitt will be represented by Naomi Cunningham against Cambridgeshire County Council in July

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AstonUniversityDataScrapingDepartment · 13/06/2024 16:01

Lizzy Pitt needs help with gardening in the usual place if anyone has plants to spare. She is a social worker accused of hate speech for expressing gender critical views, and is being represented by Naomi Cunningham.

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TheRavenKing · 31/07/2024 14:55

Just want to say Tribunal Tweets are amazing. Also their thread of this afternoon has had more than 4.4k views.

anyolddinosaur · 31/07/2024 14:54

Unused donated money is reallocated to justice for others, a point I hope Lizzie's lawyers are making.

TheRavenKing · 31/07/2024 14:53

Judge has risen. "We will reserve our decision and let you know in due course.
LB - when could we expect a decision
J - no I can't say.
Court rises.

murasaki · 31/07/2024 14:27

Thay is outrageous. Without the crowd funding, the case might not have happened and they would have got away with it. And yet they argue that donated money is all she should get. I hope the judge calls that out.

Mmmnotsure · 31/07/2024 14:20

The barrister for Cambridgeshire County Council is arguing now re costs. The question of Crowdfunding was raised this morning.

(R is CCC; J is Judge; C is Lizzy Pitt, the claimant)

LB - Barrister for CCC:
R does not have deep pockets. I take out the situation on crowd funding, it is important that you take that factor in account that C is not out of pocket herself. The crowd funding figure is over £50k. Take it into consideration - she is not out of pocket.

J - it depends on how you look at it. Can we ignore the indemnity aspects.

LB - I take the point but costs are compensatory not punitive. If you fail to take into consideration that they have been covered, they may even be viewed as a windfall.

So...not only do we have to fund these cases out of our taxed income, to support women who are being discriminated against and losing their jobs, but that is also being used against them and us. 'A windfall' FFS.

TheRavenKing · 31/07/2024 13:46

They are back now for the afternoon session here: x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1818626137142272032?s=46&t=NLk_yOAeRgggw5iLWmNizA

dunBle · 31/07/2024 12:56

Not seen the summary Tribunal Tweets thread of this morning's costs hearing, but their coverage starts here:
https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1818568505345683612
Not an expert, but it does seem that NC (Naomi Cunningham?) has covered all the points the judge was going to ask about, so it looks positive that she might get at least some of her costs covered.

x.com

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1818568505345683612

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 30/07/2024 17:42

It's also the case that social workers so untethered from reality as not to understand the importance and reality of biological sex can't actually safeguard appropriately, so if social workers who can recognise reality and apply sex-based safeguarding are being discriminated against routinely (who knows how many more there are) then that actually means vulnerable people aren't being served properly by this public service.

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 30/07/2024 17:41

TheRavenKing · 29/07/2024 18:34

Well done @LizzyPitt !!! Thank you for fighting for all of us. Very happy this gruelling ordeal for you is at an end. I do think there are questions to be asked about who should fund south Cambridge councils part in this. They absolutely knew they had no case and deliberately created a huge amount of personal pain for an individual here...

Agree, I wonder if it is possible to sue on this basis? They deliberately continued to harass Lizzy through the court process up to the very last minute. Not an appropriate use of taxpayers money. I wouldn't be very happy about their wastage of my money (especially given I have the same beliefs as Lizzy) if they were my council.

TheRavenKing · 29/07/2024 18:34

Well done @LizzyPitt !!! Thank you for fighting for all of us. Very happy this gruelling ordeal for you is at an end. I do think there are questions to be asked about who should fund south Cambridge councils part in this. They absolutely knew they had no case and deliberately created a huge amount of personal pain for an individual here...

OvaHere · 29/07/2024 18:28

Great news. Congrats @LizzyPitt

BreadInCaptivity · 29/07/2024 17:24

Great news.

I hope more and more LA's are starting to take note.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/07/2024 17:01

That's such good news. Brick by brick this bloody wall of untruths and bullying is being dismantled.
Well done Lizzy for being so courageous and bringing the case. Flowers

Billyballyboo · 29/07/2024 16:51

Brilliant news Lizzie x

HandShoe · 29/07/2024 14:38

Congratulations Lizzy! 🎉

anyolddinosaur · 29/07/2024 14:19

Hopefully the damages will be substantial. I dont know if local authorities insure or accept the risk themselves but the insurers of those who do insure against legal costs should be all over this.

I'm very pleased for Lizzie but a reminder that there are other cases outstanding and for those who like to watch batshittery a couple of OU ones. Not sure if I'm allowed to link there o my own thread. but I'll bump it.

MrsWhattery · 29/07/2024 13:29

And yes huge congrats Lizzy - I really hope you feel a weight has lifted and can treat yourself/look after yourself as needed. It's because you were willing to fight that they have capitulated. Every one of these cases helps to raise awareness and assists with the dawning of reality on these organisations and society in general. Flowers for you.

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/07/2024 13:15

Congratulations Lizzy . Another good result as far as Social workers are concerned. Glad you didn’t have to go through any more of the process/ punishment.

VerasMacAndHat · 29/07/2024 13:07

I'm really happy for you @LizzyPitt!!

RoyalCorgi · 29/07/2024 12:37

Another one here who was looking forward to a day of batshittery. One of my greatest pleasures in the past few years has been observing the massively ludicrous behaviour of these people once they get inside a courtroom. (No, I don't get out much.)

But this follows close on the heels of the Liberals admitting they were wrong in the Natalie Bird case, so I do think that maybe finally the message is reaching home. After the Rachel Meade case and countless others it's become quite clear that discriminating against staff because they believe in the reality of biological sex is against the law.

Congratulations to @LizzyPitt.

fromorbit · 29/07/2024 12:30

Maya Forstater
Cambridgeshire County Council admits liability for harassment and discrimination of social worker Lizzy Pitt who was disciplined after making her gender critical views public in a workplace LGBTQIA group

With the triumph over puberty blockers turning into a good monday.

x.com

https://x.com/MForstater

fromorbit · 29/07/2024 12:24

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 29/07/2024 12:12

The discrimination will continue. They'll just not be so overt about it.

Sadly true but the fight back will continue as well. With more and more evidence piling up. As the Mr Beast debacle shows nothing will stop male predation. Peaking is happening.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/07/2024 12:23

Well done @LizzyPitt Flowers

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 29/07/2024 12:12

AstonUniversityDataScrapingDepartment · 29/07/2024 11:07

It sounds like the respondents won’t defend Lizzy’s claim. Is the message finally getting through that it’s not ok to discriminate against people in this way?

(The cynic in me thinks that organisations don’t want the reputational damage that the OU, ERCC and SWE have had. So they let the claims get to the point of being funded and then bail. The process is still the punishment - and those who are unable to crowdfund for whatever reason have limited access to the tribunal process and/or are reliant on self representation, which is nowhere near as risky for the respondent in terms of damage to reputation. And so will the discrimination continue, with organisations opting to face the risk that someone might successfully fund a tribunal hearing - at which point they just settle - but banking on the fact that most won’t/cant? I suppose the only way to prevent that is if the damages awarded at settlement are enough of a deterrent in themselves, and NC seems to be on the case with that!)

The discrimination will continue. They'll just not be so overt about it.

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