To those who consider prostitution rape...

XChrome sorry I quoted you in my response to laidback I misclicked something.

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@Laidbackguy any response to your error of confusing transactional and reciprocal?

😄 Exactly.

Well there's solid proof, then. Your friends say so, which makes it fact. 🙄

Yes, every relationship is give and take. That does not mean it is transactional. In a healthy relationship, you give because you care about the person, not just because you expect to get something out of it. However, if one person is doing most of the giving and the other merely takes, it's not a healthy relationship. There needs to be a balance.

I think college was a typo for colleagues. I don't know but even if his male friends and colleagues were such unreconstructed chauvinists to talk with each other in this way, one might have expected more of the boastful "she can't get enough of me, I'm so good at" blathering than the pitiful admission that their partners won't put out unless they get something in return.

I think that says more about the psyche of your college friends tbh
Maybe when you've all grown up and had proper girlfriends your attitudes will change.

Nope it is not, but this is not an echo chamber. What do you mean by a “sensible” debate? If you wish to have a productive debate you probably don’t have the resource of time to entertain literally every idea. A bad idea particularly presented with strong rhetoric can bog down a discussion, several of them can render the endeavour completely fruitless.

Whilst it’s true having a few people trained in critical thinking, logic & rhetoric can burn through those bad ideas at a fair old pace that skill set is quite rarified nowadays. Particularly in spaces of online discourse.

However go on, please contribute further. I’ve already pointed out to you your error in that you have conflated the concepts of transactional & reciprocal. Would care to address that point?

Its like my then 4 year old stropping of to their room to sulk over something. If you ignored it, then after about 5 minutes you'd hear "I'm Not talking to you" shouted from his room. If you still left it, he would return to the living room to tell you in person that he wasn't talking to any of you ever again. (He grew out of it).

Is a discussion in an echo chamber ever useful? Surly if you want a sensible debate you want to hear all ideas and the bad ones don’t stand up to scrutiny?

And are you really so fragile that a bunch of women chatting intelligently amongst themselves presents such a massive existential threat to you?

Why are you calling it deciding on their behalf? None of us are frogmarching sexworkers to the police and forcing them to report rapes that they don't believe are rapes.

Everybody is allowed to have an opinion on other people, their actions and what is done to them. Those people may or may not agree with our opinions. So what?

As an not entirely irrelevant aside, I suspect that you are a male poster. Please could you confirm? It would give some context.

But the punters know they aren’t having sex with them because they want to, don’t they?
So what does that make them?

Transactional would imply an expectation that if I do a, b &, c you’ll do e, f & g. Transactions don’t need to involve goods.

All relationships work in this way, if you feel you’re giving noticeably more to a partner than you get from them you’re not going to hang around.

Are your ideas so fragile you can’t stand anyone challenging them?

This is exactly how it works in the majority of heterosexual relationships. I know this because it’s a gripe I hear time after time from make friends and colleges.

The ones who give me the biggest laugh are the MGTOW crowd. They insist they are done with women, yet they never leave us alone in our discussion groups. They are massively lying to themselves. I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't such scum.

When will the incels ever get the fuck off this site.

I almost feel sorry for you. That really isn't how it works.

It's definitely heading in that direction

Bullshit. Couples in healthy relationships agree on it mutually, and if one of them does not want it at that particular time, they wait until it can be mutually enjoyable.

I'm getting incel vibes from your posts.

Scads of women are't throwing themselves at him and glowing with ecstasy at thirty seconds of inept thrusting, which he has every right to expect them to do. The poor lamb.

My condolences on your terrible loss.

Clearly that's what's been happening to you, so you presume it's happening to other men. It should tell you something about what kind of partner you are. Consider stepping up your game.

By "do something" for the woman do you mean be civil and actually talk to her? 😄