KJK standing for Bristol Central

The Beacon are doing a hustings and say that they have invited all candidates (sold out though now unfortunately). Bristol Central Hustings with Bristol 24/7 | Bristol Beacon I haven't seen any campaigning from KJK. Seems a bit of a waste standing if she's not going to do anything. I wonder if she knows about Jude English (local Green councillor and lesbian who was kicked out of the Greens for saying biological sex is real).

I (personally) think she picked the constituency as it's the one of the most captured places in the UK outside of Brighton, and because Thangam D is there, who seems to be a closeted "GC feminist". I think she's goading TD to come out as GC.

As for not doing anything, she was banned from the hustings wasn't she?

And I genuinely don't think she'd be safe walking the streets, especially after seeing people lobbing stuff at Farage. I don't support Farage AT ALL, but I do believe in his right to campaign without fear of something being thrown at his head!

Is KJK actually planning to do anything in Bristol? She doesn't appear to be canvassing or anything. I am still unsure why she picked that constituency but she's not going get votes if she does nothing there

Thanks, I'll take a look!

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Would be great if she would tell you what action she and Labour will take to sort this out. As the answer appears to be zilch- they caused it. The exclusion of female victims of male abuse from support in Bristol if they can't pretend men are women has only been raised in Parliament / the Lords by an independent (Baroness Fox- who I don't know much about?) not by Labour - it's in Hansard https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2024-04-16/debates/5047DA2C-E4B3-422A-B9B9-114A936DF1DA/VictimsAndPrisonersBill#contribution-213A8158-8799-42A4-912F-A042C1076E82

Indeed, I've already drafted some of my reply and said I was heartened by her stance on single-sex spaces. Currently wondering what level of disappointment to convey in the rest of my e-mail (on a scale of single raised eyebrow to headbutting the wall).

Firstly, as you may know, before I was an MP I spent decades working in the Violence Against Women and Girls sector. I know personally the importance of single sex spaces and services, and I am a fierce defender of them. I'm proud of Labour’s 2010 Equality Act, which enshrined single-sex spaces along with other rights and exemptions for women. I want to absolutely assure you of my and the Labour Party’s commitment to the 2010 Equality Act and its single-sex exemptions.

^ this was a great start to the letter, sad that she descended into repeating the bafflingly incoherent party line for the rest of it

but the Council ignored the result.

Well that seems to be a pattern of Labour councils.

In may very Labour borough we are always being "consulted" and then they just do what they want anyway.

Although most of the time they seem to work with undemocratically constituted "representative" groups who just rubber stamp what ever the council says it wants to do.

And when Labour gets a huge majority in the HoC they wont need to consult with anyone, they can just vote in what they want.

And clearly, an issue not just in Bristol, but with many other councils up and down the country. There's surely a parallel here with this Title IX stuff brought in by Biden in the US (mentioned on the General conversations thread in this folder).

They have a 'women only' group support option for survivors- but don't tell female rape victims it's actually mixed sex, as they pretend TWAW.

This is so underhand and dishonest. If they believe this why dont they just say.

I have seen other groups saying they are trans inclusive.

Also a worry that for instance (and not blaming them) Rape Crisis (E&W) have a directory of support groups, but rely on the groups themselves describing what they offer.

And if, basically they are lying, by the time someone needing support will have had to go through a traumatic event to find this out.

And wonder if the spread of FWR is wide enough that we could compile an HONEST listing of support services.

How can anyone whose actual job is to provide support think they can treat those needing support in this way?

It's disgraceful, reading that Sex Matters link, and the CoT one upthread. Women are shut out at every turn. And it's obviously quite deliberate. The new women are to be catered for first, and the old-fashioned cunty type are much less important.

If anything, the experiences of trans identified people can be argued as distinct (especially if they have medicalised) - if you had "queer" or "trans" group therapy, the support could be much more personalised and useful!

It just seems to make so much sense to have single-sex provision for this, plus a third space for people in that community. Madness not to really!

And to be very clear , it's not just domestic abuse support organisations - all of the support organisations funded by the council are the same. One that particularly shocks me is Sarsas, who provide rape and sexual abuse support in Bristol. They have a 'women only' group support option for survivors- but don't tell female rape victims it's actually mixed sex, as they pretend TWAW. (Yes even the 'women only' rape support group includes any man who identifies as a woman- it's so cruel). I think this is what 'sarah surviving' is bringing to court soon as this was her experience in Brighton. They could easily have both single sex and mixed sex options but they won't.

Yes it's true- not helped by language so maybe even the commissioners aren't aware of the dire situation for women in need of single sex services locally.
There's an article by a local organisation on sex matters website giving the links- the council will not do business with companies and organisations that believe that sex is a material reality https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/is-your-local-council-passing-unlawful-policies/

Providers say their services are 'women only' - because they pretend TWAW. The council's commissioners should be requiring single sex options alongside other options (easily done!) but they are failing to do so.

I don't understand these people who a 'voting on Gaza'

I agree. If Netanyahu won't listen to Biden then he sure as hell won't listen to Carla Denyer. Total waste of a vote and means Bristol will lose a solid MP and a voice at the top levels of government.

I have seen recent correspondence with Thangam's office about the failure to provide any female only abuse support in Bristol, because of the Council's requirement all service providers pretend TWAW

Is that true? ie that groups have to agree to trans inclusive support services, as opposed to what other funders do, which is that there should be single sex provision (ie based on sex) but must also offer trans services.

Not just about the election, but this should be made more public as even by Labour Party statements about supporting the SSE, why (unless Nicola Sturgeon has moved south of the border) would a local authority think that. Or do they want to twin with Brighton.

Maybe, after the election is over, and certainly by the autumn we need to compile a list of local authorities who are imposing this.

And then challenge the new Labour Government to stand by their supposed support of the SSE, to instruct councils etc., to make sure they fund such provision.

Thanks for this, I shall ask about it in my reply!

I have seen recent correspondence with Thangam's office about the failure to provide any female only abuse support in Bristol, because of the Council's requirement all service providers pretend TWAW. The silence from Thangam on this issue has been, and continues to be, deafening. And to be honest, very disappointing.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/04/13/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill/

How to say nothing in a whole heap of waffle

Is his wife part of the Israeli government?

No - any more than his child is part of Stonewall, which has also been referenced as him being influenced by family members.

Wouldn't have thought I needed to spell this out.

He has later tried to retract, but it is comments like this that have led to him allowing family loyalties (in this instance his wife) to take precedence over principled behaviour.

Is his wife part of the Israeli government?

Just to say, and i know I posted this before, just dont think KJK is standing in Bristol Central to oust Labour, but to make a dent in the Green Party campaign to get an MP, because they are so TWAW - and the added satisfaction that if she did help stop a Green Party sucess it would mean defeating the Green Party leader.

My personal favourite would have been for KJK to stand against Angela Raynor!

There's a long history to this, and this is not the thread. But for some Labour Party members it is accumulative.

eg that in trying to get rid of anti semitism in the Labour Party, there was then a (sucessful) push to make it more than being anti-semitic but specifically pro Zionist. Many Jewish members of Labour have been pushed out, in much the same way as GC women, have for questioning the top down party line on what you can and cant say about Israel. (There is a lot of bitter feeling about this, because many of those pushed out are long time party members from families of party members.)

And more recently Starmer said in an interview that it was okay for Israel to use withholding food and water - which can be seen as a war crime.

He has later tried to retract, but it is comments like this that have led to him allowing family loyalties (in this instance his wife) to take precedence over principled behaviour. ie if you say it is okay for Israel to do this, how can you then criticise any other country or insurgent force from doing the same.

So for many, not just the Muslim community the idea that a man who seems unable to act on principle, and could be said to be biased, to be the Prime Minister of the UK is deeply worrying. Although in reality the only country with real power to influence Israel is the US. But in terms of arms sales, etc., it is a consideration.

It is a voting factor for me. I want the UK government (of any persuasion) to put diplomatic pressure on Israel to stop killing and displacing so many Palestinians in their attempt to "eradicate Hamas". There is an awful article on the BBC today showing pictures of rubbish dumps next to the tents in Khan Younis, because all the infrastructure for collecting and safely disposing of refuse has been destroyed.

As with many things I like Labour's more centrist position (pressure for a ceasefire while condemning Hamas) but I can see why not everyone agrees.