Just who is KJK standing against in the GE?

CassieMaddox · 2024-06-07T17:55:48+00:00

The mystery continues. Will it be Brighton, Birmingham, Bristol or none of the above?

NoWordForFluffy · 12/06/2024 18:07

BezMills · 12/06/2024 18:06

I like her style, it's super effective

Seems to rub some people up the wrong way for some reason. It's quite amusing to see how much she gets under the skin of them.

BezMills · 12/06/2024 18:06

I like her style, it's super effective

NoWordForFluffy · 12/06/2024 17:34

JanesLittleGirl · 12/06/2024 17:05

But then I generally find KJK to be self congratulatory, arrogant and highly critical of anyone she doesn't agree with, so I guess I would say that.

I'm sure that description of KJK reminds me of somebody but I can't remember who.

KJK is very open about her confidence and not shy of criticising people. It's refreshing to see somebody not beating round the bush, tbh.

UltraLineHolder · 12/06/2024 17:31

KJK is all that.

She's chosen this spot though to challenge anti-woman Green Party policy. I would love to see her challenge Carla on subjects such as male rapists in women's prisons. Someone needs to do it. And for it to be televised so the Greens can be exposed for standing for their need to decimate women's rights and the removal of child safeguarding (this is MumsNet after all, we are 💯 against that).

JanesLittleGirl · 12/06/2024 17:05

But then I generally find KJK to be self congratulatory, arrogant and highly critical of anyone she doesn't agree with, so I guess I would say that.

I'm sure that description of KJK reminds me of somebody but I can't remember who.

UltraLineHolder · 12/06/2024 16:32

CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 16:17

A woman as party leader at 38 is refreshing.
She's also not your standard politician type which I like. She has convictions. I disagree with her on gender but I respect that she's clear and articulating her view. If people don't like it they won't vote for her. That's democracy.

Oh God, I live in Bristol and I cannot for the life of me consider voting Green, although I was an active GP member for many years. Carla has been instrument in kicking out women from the party who have expressed concerns about the decimation of women's rights
Their environmental policies are 3rd to trans rights, free Palestine. Even in Brighton their "re-wilding the streets" (mostly vegan cafes and crystal shops and high end opticians) were thrown out the window, so they lost council control.

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 16:17

A woman as party leader at 38 is refreshing.
She's also not your standard politician type which I like. She has convictions. I disagree with her on gender but I respect that she's clear and articulating her view. If people don't like it they won't vote for her. That's democracy.

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OldCrone · 12/06/2024 16:15

CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 12:00

I think its refreshing to see a young woman like Denyer in politics, and find it fascinating that KJK has chosen to stand in a constituency where the debate will be between women, rather than involving any influential men.

The optics are that this is a female concern and men don't need to/shouldn't be involved. It's quite damaging to women and quite patriarchal.

She does it of course because she knows she will get more clicks from the straight white men because she's not threatening their position. It's anti-feminist in my opinion.

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I think its refreshing to see a young woman like Denyer in politics

What do you mean by this? What do you find 'refreshing' about her? (She's 38 so I assume you're not suggesting that she's particularly young for an MP.)

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 16:15

fedupandstuck · 12/06/2024 15:33

"Bisexuals are not attracted to transgender people."

Since when is that a core part of the definition of bisexual? Seeing as being transgender might only mean dressing, presenting, in specific ways, why would that affect fundamental sexual attraction? I mean, it might, on a case-by-case basis, but it's not a defining aspect of bisexuality, which can only mean being sexually attracted to both male and female adult humans. Speaking as a bisexual!

I'm talking clearly about how I hear trans allies I know define themselves as bi rather than pan.
Personally I'm entirely uninterested in any sexuality label so I'm not the right person to ask about it.

My main point is I don't understand why KJK is ridiculing CD's description of her own sexuality. It's a bit bizarre. But then I generally find KJK to be self congratulatory, arrogant and highly critical of anyone she doesn't agree with, so I guess I would say that.

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EarthlyNightshade · 12/06/2024 15:48

CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 15:06

Maybe you should talk to someone who believes both things.
Bisexuals are not attracted to transgender people.
Pansexuals are attracted to all people.
And that appears to be the accepted terminology in LGBTQIA circles.

I think its pretty gross to ridicule someone for saying they are bisexual. It's moved out of "shining a light on GC issues" and into something else.

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Bisexuals are not attracted to transgender people.

I didn't know that was allowed at all. Is it ok then for lesbians to exclude transwomen from people they can say they are attracted to?

fedupandstuck · 12/06/2024 15:33

"Bisexuals are not attracted to transgender people."

Since when is that a core part of the definition of bisexual? Seeing as being transgender might only mean dressing, presenting, in specific ways, why would that affect fundamental sexual attraction? I mean, it might, on a case-by-case basis, but it's not a defining aspect of bisexuality, which can only mean being sexually attracted to both male and female adult humans. Speaking as a bisexual!

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 15:28

I'm sure many don't agree with CD. So let's make sure a woman in politics gets attacked from all sides for stating a belief. Lovely.

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/06/2024 15:19

Many TRAs on TwiX wouldn't agree with you.

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 15:15

No they wouldn't. Because I know some fully signed up trans allies who are bisexual.

What Riley Dennis said 10 years ago isn't reflective of most trans people and their allies today. The world moves on.

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/06/2024 15:13

Bisexuals are not attracted to transgender people.

You're aware that TRAs would label that position transphobic? Excluding transpeople from your dating pool is a BIG no no.

Not as much of an ally as she'd like, it seems. Which is, again, an inconsistent position for her to take.

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 15:06

NoWordForFluffy · 12/06/2024 14:45

She's not ridiculing her sexuality, she's pointing out the mismatch in CD's belief that NB people exist in conjunction with saying she's 'bisexual' which acknowledges there are two sexes only. As she states, 'pansexual' is the recognised turn of phrase for GI believers, as in they look at the person, not the sex / gender. Bisexual very clearly limits it to the two sexes, which rules NBs out.

Once again, misrepresenting KJK. It's getting predictably dull now, frankly.

Maybe you should talk to someone who believes both things.
Bisexuals are not attracted to transgender people.
Pansexuals are attracted to all people.
And that appears to be the accepted terminology in LGBTQIA circles.

I think its pretty gross to ridicule someone for saying they are bisexual. It's moved out of "shining a light on GC issues" and into something else.

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/06/2024 14:45

She's not ridiculing her sexuality, she's pointing out the mismatch in CD's belief that NB people exist in conjunction with saying she's 'bisexual' which acknowledges there are two sexes only. As she states, 'pansexual' is the recognised turn of phrase for GI believers, as in they look at the person, not the sex / gender. Bisexual very clearly limits it to the two sexes, which rules NBs out.

Once again, misrepresenting KJK. It's getting predictably dull now, frankly.

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 12:36

SinnerBoy · 12/06/2024 12:21

I'm not being rude, just sarcastic.

You're lecturing and condescending to women on here, attacking them for being rationalists, yet you seem to think that people on the opposite side to you are doing the "ripping apart." You can't see that that's exactly what you're doing.

I might come across as patronising, that's because I'm (trying to be) clear and polite rather than aggressively trying to "win".

KJK on her latest video is mocking CD and ridiculing her sexuality. That is "ripping someone apart".

That approach obviously works for a lot of people but I find it very unpleasant and off-putting. It detracts from any reasonable points and I think is ultimately counter productive because it only plays well with the already converted.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/06/2024 12:23

Often when people do this, it's not because they don't see what they are doing.

SinnerBoy · 12/06/2024 12:21

I'm not being rude, just sarcastic.

You're lecturing and condescending to women on here, attacking them for being rationalists, yet you seem to think that people on the opposite side to you are doing the "ripping apart." You can't see that that's exactly what you're doing.

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 12:09

SinnerBoy · 12/06/2024 12:06

Hmm. Righto. Your lecturing isn't anything like that, OK.

Stop being rude please. "Lecturing" isn't attacking which is what you originally said.

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notsofantastic · 12/06/2024 12:06

Hope KJK ends up helping Thangam Debbonaire. Ideally would like to see both in the HofC.

SinnerBoy · 12/06/2024 12:06

Hmm. Righto. Your lecturing isn't anything like that, OK.

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 12:01

Also me politely challenging others ideas and presenting alternative views, on a discussion forum, is in no way equivalent.

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CassieMaddox · 12/06/2024 12:00

SinnerBoy · 12/06/2024 09:48

CassieMaddox · Today 07:52

I doubt I am. I don't enjoy watching women tearing each other apart for "wrongthink"

Yet here you are, doing it from your side of the fence!

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I think its refreshing to see a young woman like Denyer in politics, and find it fascinating that KJK has chosen to stand in a constituency where the debate will be between women, rather than involving any influential men.

The optics are that this is a female concern and men don't need to/shouldn't be involved. It's quite damaging to women and quite patriarchal.

She does it of course because she knows she will get more clicks from the straight white men because she's not threatening their position. It's anti-feminist in my opinion.

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