Let Women Speak Norwich - 08 Jun 2024, 13:00 – 15:00

Yes, that's another TEZ trick, repeating words out of context, or quoting half a sentence, to change the meaning entirely.

Taken out of context, I believe, when you read or watch what she actually said.

Which was along the lines of we should be trying to limit the social contagion of Gender Identity Ideology because who sane would ever think that surgically and/or hormonally altering the healthy bodies of children who don't fit into the sex based stereotypes of their culture is a good idea?

So although perhaps clumsily put at the time it was said I don't disagree with that.
I will try and find the clip where she said that in due course, but there are lots of her interviews on YouTube so it might take some time!

CassieMaddox · Yesterday 16:03

Any issue where you can appeal to emotion not fact, generate "fear of the outsider" and hyopthesise "a plot" has potential to be a central tenet of fascism.

Well, you have encapsulated the Trans Extremist Zealot side perfectly, there. They shout and rant and appeal to emotions, either free of fact, or counter-factual. They deny medical and scientific facts and resort to emotional blackmail, demanding compliance to their ideology.

Any dissent is met with an aggressive response, from shouting and intimidation, to actual violence.

And for some reason, you think that they're the good guys; to my mind, you have a blind spot a thousand yards wide.

Well one example: Helen Joyce suggesting every trans person is a problem in a sane world. For a start. Doesn’t sound very supportive of trans people. No wonder the kids fear GCs

It's not "safeguarding" to dictate to teachers what information they must share with parents, regardless of if there is a risk to the child in sharing that

No one is “dictating” such a thing to teachers. Parents should be given such information unless there is evidence of potential risk to the child. Stop spreading misinformation.

It's not "safeguarding" to dictate to teachers what information they must share with parents

Actually it is. Perhaps you need to 'educate yourself' about what safeguarding is.

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Did another great event
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The problem is not "everyone is responsible". The problem is the ostrich like denial of something that "never happens" happening in front of your eyes.

It's a bit like Alice Through The Looking Glass watching posters who were previously very good at seeing through bullshit lose the ability and turn into TRA-esque "This never happens!!!!" people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 17:14
Yes it's interesting that everyone is responsible at LWS when apparently no one in the Labour Party was responsible for MPs sharing a platform with Sarah Jane Baker, a convicted torturer, or SNP MPs for men with placards about decapitating TERFs

Yes.

Thank you for answering my question.

Gosh eresh, why would they let symmetry come into their discussion points?

Yes it's interesting that everyone is responsible at LWS when apparently no one in the Labour Party was responsible for MPs sharing a platform with Sarah Jane Baker, a convicted torturer, or SNP MPs for men with placards about decapitating TERFs.

I was at that LWS event in Glasgow.

It was only a couple of months after the Adam Graham horror show and our collective clown car of a government had voted the amendments to the GRA bill through.

I did see the guy with the "Gaystapo" sign, at one point he was stood behind the speakers. At that point the folk I was with and those around us were all saying that his sign wasn't acceptable and it should be taken down which it duly was.

I have no idea who that guy was. I have no idea who anyone was who chose to attend, or what their affiliations were. I'm unsure what else could be done about that guy other than what was done at the time as the event was open to anybody that chose to go along - no tickets, no vetting for purity of intent.

At the other end of George Square from the LWS was a group of TA protestors, "Cabaret Against Hate", holding a disco to ward off the evil terfs and organised by Pickle Bee iirc.

I wandered over to have a look.

As you'd expect it was the usual crew of mostly young folk, with a contingent of older men and an unexpectedly or maybe not large amount of furries.

Here's a pic I took of one making friends with a child that was crossing the Square. Probably drawn to the "cute" animal costume as many children would be...

No.

Clearly some are happy to work with anyone regardless of their political approach, affiliations or background. Others don't want to be associated with fascists in any way. Each to their own.

CassieMaddox would you be happy to work with anyone affiliated to the Communist Party?

Really, you don't think there are less emotive, more appropriate ways to "describe what is happening"?

Well like all these things we will shortly see how well these phrases go down with the general public. I'm predicting like a bucket of cold sick, given I've talked to lots of people about GC issues over the years and been called all sorts for using far less emotive language to discuss GC concerns.

Yes for heavens sake don't use words to describe what is actually happening less you fall in with the Nazis.

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It's not "safeguarding" to try to reinvigorate section 28. It's censorship. It's not "safeguarding" to dictate to teachers what information they must share with parents, regardless of if there is a risk to the child in sharing that. It's dangerous.
Moral panic never was a positive way to approach a societal issue. Luckily we have the Cass review advocating for evidence led approaches rather than authoritarianism.

Those bloody fascists, doing safeguarding all over the shop. How very rude!

Yes, I agree.

The morphing of that into a broader set of concerns about "safeguarding", "mutilation", "ideological capture" etc are all emotive topics that will appeal to fascists.

Clearly some are happy to work with anyone regardless of their political approach, affiliations or background. Others don't want to be associated with fascists in any way. Each to their own.

CassieMaddox Any issue where you can appeal to emotion not fact, generate "fear of the outsider" and hyopthesise "a plot" has potential to be a central tenet of fascism.
You had me worried there for a moment! Fortunately the central tenet of GCism is an appeal to objective demonstrable biological fact. Phew!

Any issue where you can appeal to emotion not fact, generate "fear of the outsider" and hyopthesise "a plot" has potential to be a central tenet of fascism.

The GC/trans debate has all those features so not surprisingly is attractive to fascist groups and politicians as well as voters with genuine concerns.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism

Maybe not. But friends of mine used to picket the pet market in Brick Lane , they were vegan animal rights activists. Quite often neo nazi types would try to cosey up to them. Sometimes they handed out literature about cruelty to animals. But it always revolved around halal and kosher butchers etc. They will try to exploit any situation.

Are women’s rights a central tenet of fascism????