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Legal challenge to UK ban of puberty blockers

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Litterpicking · 06/06/2024 19:55

How depressing! This in the Guardian (of course).

Campaigners mount legal challenge against puberty blockers ban in Britain https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/06/legal-challenge-puberty-blockers-ban-britain?CMP=sharebtnn_url

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NoWordForFluffy · 07/06/2024 10:05

Ingenieur · 07/06/2024 09:31

Yes, good point!

Also, it's ironic that they are willing to listen to whistleblowers now, and not over the past decade or so...

Depends on what you're whistle-blowing, it appears. Staff at Tavistock raising concerns = bad. One person at NHS with potentially dubious stats = good.

Ingenieur · 07/06/2024 09:31

Signalbox · 06/06/2024 21:53

Senior whistleblower?
Is that even a thing?

Yes, good point!

Also, it's ironic that they are willing to listen to whistleblowers now, and not over the past decade or so...

Datun · 07/06/2024 09:10

Bring it on. As ever, the more sunlight, the better.

I would absolutely back an investigation into the mental health and personal circumstances of children who get sucked into gender ideology.

Let's see exactly who they are and where the failings, if any, lie.

PronounssheRa · 07/06/2024 08:40

GLP have added this to the crowdfund blurb

We have heard from a well-placed whistleblower inside the NHS that, in the seven years before the decision in the Bell case (concerning the use of puberty blockers), one person using Gender Identity Development Services lost their life. The NHS reacted to that decision by introducing immediate, heavy restrictions to NHS services for young trans people. And it did not lift them when the decision was overturned in the Court of Appeal. We have been informed that in the three years following the decision 16 people lost their lives

Given the astronomical rise in referrals to GIDs and the fact that many childen with autism, or poor mental health, or deeply traumatic backgrounds are heavily represented in those referrals, the number of people who have lost their lives may have increased. But Jolyon doesn't acknowledge any of that, not the sheer increase in referrals or the vulnerabilities of those referred. Nor do we know how any of those people died. instead he just uses it as leverage to get more money.

SinnerBoy · 07/06/2024 05:12

Hmm. So in the few days since the moratorium on puberty blockers began, there's been an epidemic of deaths in trans people. And the NHS is covering it up. I see.

It's a shame that nobody in the news, or the Police has picked it up.

Call me a cynic, but there seems to be more than a slight whiff of farmyard dungheap to this bold claim.

LastTrainEast · 06/06/2024 22:27

This is like the claim that dozens of transwomen are murdered every day. On twitter you ask them to name some and they block you.

They used to offer a link to a website that tracked trans deaths until it become embarrassingly obvious how safe being a transwoman is. The only deaths they could come up with were natural causes or random events.

The TQ+ movement used suicide quite openly as a tool when they told parents that their child would certainly die if not delivered into their hands.

That's despite pleading from experts that they were influencing kids into thinking it was inevitable.

PronounssheRa · 06/06/2024 22:22

Jolyon is very invested in this issue to the point where he loses any reason. I'm stunned anyone still donates to GLP

LastTrainEast · 06/06/2024 22:18

At least people will get to see the people/groups determined to take their children from them.

They can't fight this and hide who they are.

Karensalright · 06/06/2024 22:01

Clowns to the left
jokers to the right

here i am ……

Signalbox · 06/06/2024 21:53

Senior whistleblower?
Is that even a thing?

TheABC · 06/06/2024 21:35

Which makes you wonder: will Labour let it lapse in November? Cass to the left of them, TRAs to the right and no hope of staying stuck in the middle. Or quietly ignoring it.

Litterpicking · 06/06/2024 21:32

There is statutory regulation and guidance of the investigation of sudden and unexpected deaths of children under 18. assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1120062/child-death-review-statutory-and-operational-guidance-england.pdf

Any claims that these deaths are being suppressed by the NHS is extremely disturbing and highly unlikely as local authorities and parents would be in on it too. I worked for 20 years in an NHS Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service Team between 1994 and 2014. We saw one young person who wanted to change sex and, sadly, one young person, a former patient, committed suicide. Both were over 16.

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Helleofabore · 06/06/2024 21:30

I am another in the Bring it on camp!

Crouton19 · 06/06/2024 21:23

Fortunately the ONS publishes regular death stats broken down by various criteria including age, so that claim should be easy for him to verify.

Fenlandia · 06/06/2024 20:59

NecessaryScene · 06/06/2024 20:15

The Guardian article failed to grab this scoop:

I spoke to a senior NHS whistleblower who told me of a massive increase in deaths amongst trans young people since the NHS changed its practice on puberty blockers. She told me the NHS was suppressing the evidence. I've seen her contemporaneous emails.

Given how captured the NHS is, with all the lanyards, networks and activists at every level, this would be a hell of a thing to pull off. And why wouldn't some of the parents take their stories to the BBC or other media outlets? But as always I find myself asking myself - how on earth did all these kids cope before puberty blockers became a thing? They haven't been used for gender for that long, really.

Karensalright · 06/06/2024 20:56

As I understand the law, the legal challenge will be an application for a Judicial review, as to whether the Government has the power to ban the use of puberty blockers, (which is emergency legislation), in the private sector including from abroad.

So the argument (if it ever gets a hearing) will not be about the merits or otherwise of PB.

It will be about wether the Government can enact such legislation.

So am not in the slightest bit worried about this.

Maaate · 06/06/2024 20:42

Wow so the NHS have the power to supress the registration and reporting of deaths and stop any inquests taking place?

Such powers would have been really useful during the pandemic!

NecessaryScene · 06/06/2024 20:38

You have to parse very carefully. "Changed its stance" can date it back to when they stopped saying they were reversible.

And then maybe there have been more deaths since then, eg the extremely atypical murder of Brianna Ghey.

He's not claiming any sort of causality or indeed any links to puberty blockers or change of stance.

The only thing I'm wondering how he would get to the "suppressing the evidence" claim without something semi-concrete behind it. Maybe if he is talking about population deaths, it's just that the NHS wouldn't actually be responsible for gathering or publishing such statistics?

FrothyCothy · 06/06/2024 20:25

NecessaryScene · 06/06/2024 20:15

The Guardian article failed to grab this scoop:

I spoke to a senior NHS whistleblower who told me of a massive increase in deaths amongst trans young people since the NHS changed its practice on puberty blockers. She told me the NHS was suppressing the evidence. I've seen her contemporaneous emails.

In the two months since they banned them? I do hope he has the receipts for such a bold claim.

AstonScrapeNameChangeAgain · 06/06/2024 20:18

nocoolnamesleft · 06/06/2024 20:12

UK doctors? Maybe. Reputable UK doctors with appropriate expertise? Rather more unlikely...

Last month the Re J judgement included a comment that there were no UK based doctors willing to accept instruction - in the end they found a medical expert from Australia prepared to comment…

There are many activists amongst UK doctors, and they are very vocal on social media about this. They are strangely silent and invisible when asked to comment on the (legal) record!

NecessaryScene · 06/06/2024 20:15

The Guardian article failed to grab this scoop:

I spoke to a senior NHS whistleblower who told me of a massive increase in deaths amongst trans young people since the NHS changed its practice on puberty blockers. She told me the NHS was suppressing the evidence. I've seen her contemporaneous emails.

Legal challenge to UK ban of puberty blockers
Signalbox · 06/06/2024 20:14

Brilliant. By the time they get a court date the 3 months will be up anyway and then he’ll lose. Let him waste the time and money.

nocoolnamesleft · 06/06/2024 20:12

AstonScrapeNameChangeAgain · 06/06/2024 20:04

It will be very interesting to see if they will find UK based doctors prepared to speak in favour of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones in court. The courts have been grumbling recently about the fact that no UK medical experts are prepared to be instructed on this issue…

UK doctors? Maybe. Reputable UK doctors with appropriate expertise? Rather more unlikely...

Chersfrozenface · 06/06/2024 20:08

NoWordForFluffy · 06/06/2024 19:58

It's already doomed as it's got the Good Laugh Project involved!

Well, yes, given the Kimono'd One"s track record.

If he were a greyhound, he'd have long been sent to the dog rescue centre.

AstonScrapeNameChangeAgain · 06/06/2024 20:04

It will be very interesting to see if they will find UK based doctors prepared to speak in favour of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones in court. The courts have been grumbling recently about the fact that no UK medical experts are prepared to be instructed on this issue…