Millions of men in England and Wales pose a danger to women and children

Violent males attack the women they have access to. Traditionally that would be relatives in the home but now abusive "husbands, fathers and siblings" are told they have a right to be in any female spaces so long as they declare special feelings.

And it shouldn't need pointing out that these public spaces aren't always busy.

Have you used shopping centre toilets during a quiet spell? Usually located up escalators and down long corridors, through several fire doors.

Have you ever stayed on a hospital ward at night?

Have you ever been a member of a cheapo unstaffed 24 hour gym with basic changing facilities?

Now these males have plausible deniability to be in any single sex female space whenever they want, ready for an opportunity to present itself.

It would help if the police listened to women when they report a man they feel is threatening their life.
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/bethany-fields-women-who-predicted-deaths-3080018

And as that awful Spanish hotel rape case (among others) showed, it's not just a perception of peer support. There is widespread actual peer support.

That is useful information.

What is it with some people? They can't help themselves but start what-about-the-men ing on a thread about vawg?

I feel like I've been shouting about men's violence against women and girls forever. Do I care that men and boys are also being harmed by men? Yes, but guess what? Not my fucking problem. Let the men deal with that one because I'm not everyone's fucking mum.

And then we also have the "it's not transwomen, it's men!" <<geneflucts to the holy pride flag>> Go look at the MoJ stats for transwomen in prison for violent and sexual crimes. It far outweighs the general prison population. So either transwomen are more of a danger to women or violent men use a trans identity to access victims. Which is it? Either way male people need to keep (and be kept) out of women's spaces.

We're being killed at a rate of 2-3 a week and we can't talk about it without some twat rocking up to shout "squirrel!"

I might need more coffee.

Yes women have worked very hard to raise awareness about an issue which affects them.

Do you think we should take the lead in raising awareness about male on male violence too?

Women discussing VAWG does not prevent men discussing male on male violence.

How many murders of men do you think will be prevented if we make women as perpetrators as significant component of a discussion about male on male violence?

@JohnofWessex Look I created a thread on AIBU about Male victims of male violence. It started of a bit rough (my fault. I made the title too provocative and worded my first post really badly so I think people thought I was trolling) but more people are already posting there. I do agree with you that raising awareness of the different ways men can be victims of violence matters. I have a son. But I don't think talking about it on this thread will help because its a different issue. But if you do want to discuss it its there. More people will see it because more people visit AIBU.

''Men and violence against women: Some men think that if they themselves are not perpetrating domestic or sexual violence against women, the problem has nothing to do with them. But it does.''

''A consistent predictor of men’s use of domestic and sexual violence is their perception of peer support: the extent to which they think that the men around them condone, support, and themselves use violence against women.
Male peer support is a key risk factor for perpetration.''

https://archive.ph/UiBd7

Well, fathers, husbands, brothers etc are also out and about. They are in the house. Then they go outside the house into the street and possibly into other buildings and toilets etc. Like women do. So I don't see your point.

And I am not concerned about the millions that don't pose a risk. Good for them. I am concerned about the millions that do.

So you start of talking about male-on-male violence but then you immediately want to talk about women as perpetrators of violence. There are female perpetrators, and that's a bad thing, but as the article you linked said the vast majority of male murder victims are murdered by other men and it needs to be talked about more. By talking about women instead. Hmmmm.

@anothernamitynamenamechange The link talks about men being killed by brothers, sons, fathers, and friends and acquaintances in a home setting.

When we have some idea of the problem in total the question is then what do we do to tackle it, how do we stop people becoming violent, what do we do to perpetrators, to prevent them reoffending or if that doesnt work or seem likley to work to safeguard potential future victims

How to address? Better and well-funded public services, supportive benefits system, more social housing, and work education and training opportunities.

I disagree - there is a link. The article says "men" but then says the age isn't clear in statistics so it will include boys not just men. Unsurprising because men often kill their children as well as the mother, or instead of the mother to punish her. Or they are physically violent towards children around the mother. Or she is afraid to leave because she won't be able to protect them. Or she does and the father is violent but she gets accused of parental alienation and he gets custody. Or because sons witness violence in the home and are violent towards each other as they grow.
The article felt somewhat illogical though. It argued that "if we want to address male violence against women we need to address male violence against men." But failed to consider that if that were true then the reverse is actually more true. (Because half of children are male, because domestic abusers will often kill their ex and the new partner if she moves on, because domestic abusers will kill male family members trying to help the woman). Tackling violence against women would reduce male-on-male violence but the article never makes that connection.
And its odd because feminist campaigns against domestic violence have usually included children of both sexes when they campaign against DV. So women are already aware of the link. I wish sometimes the men who ask "what about male on male violence" would talk to women/listen to women more. We might actually get something done.

It's a fair point that, as it says, there needs to be more awareness and addressing of violence against men by men

Obviously both VAWG and violence against men by men are strongly linked to austerity. Funding cuts to public services, punitive benefits system, lack of social housing, all aid in-the-home violence and homicides.

The point is that the womens movement has done a very good job in highlighting the issue of male on female - or child violence.

BUT we havnt looked at the subject in the round, that is to say male on male violence or for that matter the role of women in violence either as perpetrators or facilitators.

When we have some idea of the problem in total the question is then what do we do to tackle it, how do we stop people becoming violent, what do we do to perpetrators, to prevent them reoffending or if that doesnt work or seem likley to work to safeguard potential future victims

That would be men killing men.
We are talking about the sexual assaults, rape and domestic violence committed by men against women and girls, perhaps you should start a different thread to discuss male on male violence

Yes. And many trans people are male.

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/12/13/more-men-are-killed-in-households-each-year-than-women/

Interesting Read

And yet men who say they are women in jail are there for sexual offences at three times the rate of men who don't say they are women. So it is definitely a 'trans' issue.

In the UK coercive control is recognised as a form of abuse. I'm sketchy on the overlap with violence. Transwidows' thread is an insight into the harm of coercion and control.

I could do with seeing more detail. I remember how eye-opening it was to see that above a certain age, the deaths of older women were not necessarily counted in femicide statistics until comparatively recently.

Yes, @Aussieland, we know it's a male violence problem. But transwomen are male.

So that's not overly helpful, is it?

It’s a male violence issue

In part. It's also an austerity issue, because that (massively) helps perpetrators do what they do.

Most of these are men who you are married to or living with. This isn’t a trans issue. It’s a male violence issue

So if its 1 in 15 PEOPLE who are committing these crimes would that mean 1 in 7 men or did they mean 1 in 15 men (instead of people)?
Having done the ruff sums 4 million dangerous men in England and Wales would work out at ruffly 1 in 7 if there's about 30 million men in E&W. Hmm I guess 1 in7 sounds to bad so they added women to make the numbers look better, I guess we have a new response to not all men, just 1in7

The figure of 4 million, mainly male, offenders comes from research to be published later this year that was commissioned by the National Police Chiefs’ Council

Not much to check as the referenced report is to be published at an undefined time in the future. If the report is complete enough to go public with the findings then why not release it now so the underlying data can be understood?