Maya Forstater on Jeremy Vine this lunchtime

You make an excellent point; women are held to a more exacting and hampering standard of behaviour in a sexist society. Having to fight for our rights with one hand tied behind our backs is hardly fair.

People recoil at honesty, especially when it's coming from a woman. I think Maya has a great balance there, of holding the line with honesty but being careful not to be rude.

Would it be useful for Maya or another GC advocate to point out the obvious when, during a discussion, their opposite number makes claims like, ‘I look exactly like a woman and no-one has told me otherwise' or is it best left to the public to discern the juxtaposition?

I've just listened to this. Maya was brilliant.

I just wish that when trans woman Michelle said they use women's toilets just to pee, not to invade women's spaces that someone had pointed out that whether Michelle intended to invade or not it is an invasion. And every time they use women's spaces they are showing how little they care about women's safety, comfort and dignity.

He's not a barrister - he was a judge so yes, he REALLY should have the wit to understand.

If I hear another transwoman with a deeply masculine voice on a phone in saying they are female because their passports and birth certificates say so, I shall probably break my radio throwing something at it. It's SO enraging!!!

Panicmode1 · Yesterday 22:03

^I attach an extract from the Telegraph today from an interview with the well
1known transgender judge who has recently stepped down....even if the EA is strengthened, we still have to repeal the GRA....!^

Hmm, them's birth registration is not female, it's male, but was amended to make they appear female. You'd think that a barrister would have the wit to know the difference, wouldn't you?

Well that was an excruciating piece of gaslighting by the male who claims to be female. Maya did a fine job explaining the actual issues, as she always does!

Also it's funny how Vine referred to this male as "he", shows you can't stop people from naturally just saying what they see.

How about this one.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5087977-retiring-trans-judge-is-by-stonewall-rules-a-transphobe?reply=135735841

McCloud is all about McCloud.

Endocrinillogical.

Endickrinological?

She's an 'endocrinological' woman? How does that work?

The whole of that article is worth a read

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/06/03/first-transgender-judge-hits-out-trans-hostile-conspiracy/

https://archive.ph/3YQDo paywall dodge

This is a judge!

I think it might warrant its own thread. My opinion is that the judge has got it backwards. Hostility from gay and bi people, the rise of the gender critical movement is down to the egregious behaviour of some transpeople and their so called allies. Their allies imo grotesque, entitled behaviour has caused nothing but damage. Did they honestly think carrying on the way they have wouldn't trigger a pushback?

I thought Maya was excellent today....

I'm finding it baffling that all of these people seem to genuinely believe that they are now female because they have been allowed to falsify their paperwork. Some are even more deluded....I attach an extract from the Telegraph today from an interview with the well known transgender judge who has recently stepped down....even if the EA is strengthened, we still have to repeal the GRA....!

Crikey.

Clip here:

Sex Matters on X: "🗣️ "It's not about how the Equality Act affects trans people – it's about how it affects women." @MForstater debates @JoanneMonck on sex and the Equality Act with @theJeremyVine @BBCRadio2 👇 t.co/BGBArTUC1k" / X (twitter.com)

Bloody hell!

It's always deeply ironic when the female referrers put on a public show of very male behaviour.

Holy fuck! Not the most flattering still.

It's interesting, that's the second person I've seen recently talking about how transitioning was the 'death' of their old self and the rebirth of a new self.

I noticed several times that Monck referred themselves as ‘female’ so therefore should never be excluded from ‘female’ services, yet expressed dismay that ‘men’ might exploit a loop hole.

It is so fucked up to hear this interview on so many levels. This was like seeing one of those threads we get where male
posters say this and expect us to support them and that some posters then want us to speak supportatively to so that those male people feel valued and continue to act as misogynists and basically abuse women by ignoring their needs.

It certainly should be a recommended listen for any person who decides to lecture others that we should use pronouns out of respect. Where was any fucking respect shown by this male interviewee? There was none. It was all ‘but I am one of you women, I get to have my way and you are speaking rubbish’.

Yes completely agree these TW think nobody can tell they are not women.

for eg when India Willoughby was on First Dates, I thought I’ll wait to see if DH notices anything unusual as he has no clue who she is (iirc India is quite vociferous about looking like a woman). Anyway, after about 2 mins DH pipes up - is she a man?

The other thing I thought strange about that episode of First Dates…. India’s date didn’t seem that interested in her until she told him she had transitioned. That seemed to revv him right up. They were full on snogging on the First Dates sofa. Her Adam’s apple was getting a right good workout! 🤣

The end of the discussion was three blokes talking about women's rights, which just shows how far we've come in this debate. Sigh.

He was on the radio this morning crowing about using women's loos and saying that Badenoch's plans wold leave him vulnerable. Arsehole.

Oh joy another TW whose made money out of trampling down women’s single sex spaces