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Labour won't back Tory pledge to protect single-sex spaces

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Abeona · 03/06/2024 11:06

Apparently women already have enough protection. Try telling that to the women who were left to deal with man in the women's loos in my local M&S the other day. He wouldn't leave until one of them phoned the police. There needs to be an absolutely clear 'no men in women's single-sex spaces' law. Any grey area leaves predatory men space to manouevre.

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Chersfrozenface · 03/06/2024 12:29

...women have to phone the police to get creepy men to vacate the women's loos,..

Provided they're not arrested by those very police for telling a man to leave the women's toilet and refusing to apologise to the man when the police said they had to. Cardiff, October 2022

Abeona · 03/06/2024 12:20

LizzieSiddal · 03/06/2024 12:06

And the Tory’s have let what you’ve said, go on for years! They could have clarified this Act ages ago. They’ve decided to use it as a wedge issue at the election and it’s massively backfired. The minister this morning was so poor in all of her interviews, the public will be left more confused than before.

So we just vote Labour and let this shit run on and on for another five years of Starmer and co keeping the current situation going by allowing Rosie Duffield to say one thing and Annaliese Dodds to say the opposite and Starmer in the middle wringing his hands and talking about toxicity on both sides? And meanwhile men go on committing crimes and being referred to as female, women have to phone the police to get creepy men to vacate the women's loos, women's and lesbian events go even further underground in order to avoid being protested by ranks of far-left Labour men...

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EasternStandard · 03/06/2024 12:07

LizzieSiddal · 03/06/2024 12:06

And the Tory’s have let what you’ve said, go on for years! They could have clarified this Act ages ago. They’ve decided to use it as a wedge issue at the election and it’s massively backfired. The minister this morning was so poor in all of her interviews, the public will be left more confused than before.

Do you prefer Labour’s gender ideology- the GP Self ID and no change to the EqA so businesses fear litigation and TRAs have more power?

LizzieSiddal · 03/06/2024 12:06

Cosmosforbreakfast · 03/06/2024 11:36

Of course they won't, they hate women. They've proved this over and over again. They're quite happy to put women and children in all kinds of danger, they've proved this over and over again too. An election used to be picking the best of the worst, can't even do this now, they're all coming up with more and more batshit crazy ideas.

And the Tory’s have let what you’ve said, go on for years! They could have clarified this Act ages ago. They’ve decided to use it as a wedge issue at the election and it’s massively backfired. The minister this morning was so poor in all of her interviews, the public will be left more confused than before.

ResisterRex · 03/06/2024 12:05

Point of detail: Kemi/Sunak say their plan includes making this a reserved matter. As in: Scotland could NOT attempt this by the back door again. It would be firmly shut.

This is an important point of detail IMO. We have to assume they're against all of it because they are wedded to self-ID as Dodds' policy position tells us.

But that is a key element that they probably loathe as it would mean no future UK government could meekly stand back and go "oh but it wasn't our decision" <slopes shoulders>

Abeona · 03/06/2024 11:44

That's the kind of thing I was thinking of, OldCrone. I once asked a transwoman whether he had a GRC when he was trying to get into a lesbian-only event and he went into a 'You have no right to ask me whether I have a GRC, I know my rights' meltdown. And as the other women on the door that night pointed out, even if he had given us some kind of official-looking document or whatever, we'd have had no idea whether it was genuine or not.

I've lost count of the number of once-regular, community-creating women's and lesbian events that no longer go on because women have said 'No, no men, no entry' and have then been involved in frightening, morale-sapping arguments with men determined to invade women's space, often accompanied by threats.

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Chersfrozenface · 03/06/2024 11:39

The Gender Recognition Act doesn't make it clear that sex and gender are different. It says:

(1)Where a full gender recognition certificate is issued to a person, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender (so that, if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman).

Well that's the problem, isn't it? In the GRA 'gender' is synonymous with 'sex', they don't have different meanings. In fact, generally at the time they didn't, hence the "gender pay gap" which was most definitely about the difference in pay rates for the two sexes

In the Equality Act 2010 those who have obtained a GRC are called "transexuals", i.e. people who have changed sex.

The law needs more than clarifying, it needs to be amended.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 03/06/2024 11:36

Of course they won't, they hate women. They've proved this over and over again. They're quite happy to put women and children in all kinds of danger, they've proved this over and over again too. An election used to be picking the best of the worst, can't even do this now, they're all coming up with more and more batshit crazy ideas.

OldCrone · 03/06/2024 11:25

Mr Healey told Times Radio: “We will not want to amend the Act, it’s not needed. The Act, incidentally, was a Labour Act in 2010, that was opposed by the Tories, but it already provides protections for single-sex spaces for biological women.“It already provides a definition of a woman, and sex and gender are different.

The definition of a woman in the EA2010 is "a female of any age". is a man with a falsified birth certificate which states he is female considered to be "a female of any age"?

The Gender Recognition Act doesn't make it clear that sex and gender are different. It says:

(1)Where a full gender recognition certificate is issued to a person, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender (so that, if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman).

This is why more clarity is needed.

ArabellaScott · 03/06/2024 11:19

'no men in women's single-sex spaces'

Absolutely agree.

The time is now, Keir. Do you choose to prioritise males with genderfeels, or do you prioritise women and girls?

You have to make a choice.

EasternStandard · 03/06/2024 11:13

Labour won’t change the legal framework which has got us into this mess

I’m not surprised though as they prefer gender ideology and to defend the GRA which was theirs

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