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Labour won't back Tory pledge to protect single-sex spaces

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Abeona · 03/06/2024 11:06

Apparently women already have enough protection. Try telling that to the women who were left to deal with man in the women's loos in my local M&S the other day. He wouldn't leave until one of them phoned the police. There needs to be an absolutely clear 'no men in women's single-sex spaces' law. Any grey area leaves predatory men space to manouevre.

http://archive.today/1YofY

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Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 15:28

@BackToLurk and conditions are A1 there then ? And the criminal justice system is functioning well ? What happens if a loved one is attacked by a prisoner released early because of Tory inability to build more prisons ? Provide rehabilitation?

AjayJones · 03/06/2024 15:24

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Maddy70 · 03/06/2024 15:24

Because its unworkable and its already protected in law. Who is going to be checking genitals at a changing room?

There should be safe spaces for everyone

Underthinker · 03/06/2024 15:20

Mr Healey told Times Radio: “We will not want to amend the Act, it’s not needed. The Act, incidentally, was a Labour Act in 2010, that was opposed by the Tories, but it already provides protections for single-sex spaces for biological women.“It already provides a definition of a woman, and sex and gender are different.

Well in that case a Labour government isn't needed either then.

Just as service providers are allowed to provide truly single sex services but tend to choose not to, billionaires are allowed to pay extra tax to fund public services, or help people out of poverty, but tend to choose not to. Apparently someone being allowed to offer you the thing you really need is enough now.

BackToLurk · 03/06/2024 15:18

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 15:11

Women have suffered due to Tory policies for many years. Have you been in a prison recently ( and I’m not talking about the presence of trans women there) ?
Have you heard of cuts to benefits ? It’s becoming increasingly difficult to get pip. Have you seen the state of maternity services ? Women killed by men because of not enough policemen. Surestarts shut as well as libraries. I’d agree with you if everything was fecking hunky dory but it isn’t.

I've been working in a Cat A male prison recently. Is that good enough for you?

justasking111 · 03/06/2024 15:17

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 15:11

@justasking111 get a star. How brave of you,

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I've no idea what you're on about with this pop at me

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 15:14

You clearly give not a shit about women. A huge number of women have been affected by Tory policies and austerity. Your own daughters are unable to live abroad, work abroad, because of Tory Brexit. Can’t afford to buy a home. Your own grand daughter could die because of horrendous maternity care. But hey tories know what a privileged wealthy woman is.

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 15:11

@justasking111 get a star. How brave of you,

justasking111 · 03/06/2024 15:11

averylongtimeago · 03/06/2024 15:03

This is why so many people, including me, feel politically homeless. Of course we don't want the revolting Tory policies to continue to destroy our country- but how can we vote for a party which is determined to put the demands of the TRA lobby in place of the rights of women?

This absolutely.

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 15:11

Women have suffered due to Tory policies for many years. Have you been in a prison recently ( and I’m not talking about the presence of trans women there) ?
Have you heard of cuts to benefits ? It’s becoming increasingly difficult to get pip. Have you seen the state of maternity services ? Women killed by men because of not enough policemen. Surestarts shut as well as libraries. I’d agree with you if everything was fecking hunky dory but it isn’t.

justasking111 · 03/06/2024 15:10

Keir doesn't know what a woman is. I'm in Wales we have to suck it up because our police can't figure it out due to Welsh government policies.

I'm not voting labour.

Cantalever · 03/06/2024 15:09

What happened to "If You Want my X, Respect my Sex"?
Labour (and Lib Dems) need to listen up.

Its beyond me why they put 52% of potential votes at risk. Women are unimportant, aren't they?

BackToLurk · 03/06/2024 15:05

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 14:55

Just Vote Tory and own it.
Why so much frothing about it ? Just be careful what you wish for if you are’t especially well off, disabled, dependent on public services. It’s a niche topic for many who are comfortably well off, they can afford to be dogmatic about it.

It's the most vulnerable women who are exposed to the erosion of single-sex spaces and services. Female inmates, women in refuges, homeless women. Wealthy women can opt out of public services. You don't care if their are men in women's wards if you can just go private have your own room.

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 15:05

That’s not what’s happening though ?

averylongtimeago · 03/06/2024 15:03

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 14:55

Just Vote Tory and own it.
Why so much frothing about it ? Just be careful what you wish for if you are’t especially well off, disabled, dependent on public services. It’s a niche topic for many who are comfortably well off, they can afford to be dogmatic about it.

This is why so many people, including me, feel politically homeless. Of course we don't want the revolting Tory policies to continue to destroy our country- but how can we vote for a party which is determined to put the demands of the TRA lobby in place of the rights of women?

Rosaluxemberg · 03/06/2024 14:55

Just Vote Tory and own it.
Why so much frothing about it ? Just be careful what you wish for if you are’t especially well off, disabled, dependent on public services. It’s a niche topic for many who are comfortably well off, they can afford to be dogmatic about it.

RoyalCorgi · 03/06/2024 14:49

Mr Healey told Times Radio: “We will not want to amend the Act, it’s not needed. The Act, incidentally, was a Labour Act in 2010, that was opposed by the Tories, but it already provides protections for single-sex spaces for biological women.“It already provides a definition of a woman, and sex and gender are different.

So is Healey unaware of the Haldane ruling, or is he lying?

I hope Healey reads the Michael Foran series of tweets linked to in the other thread about this.

https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1797558913698582579

x.com

https://x.com/michaelpforan/status/1797558913698582579

EasternStandard · 03/06/2024 14:39

Crouton19 · 03/06/2024 14:23

Fuming at Sunak for saving this up his sleeve for election points instead of getting on with it 6 months ago. Now women's rights are being weaponised in a dirty campaign. I am so sick of them.

What will you do, vote for the party that doesn’t want this change?

It’ll give them mandate to do their version wrt gender ideology, make it easier etc

Kendodd · 03/06/2024 14:38

Abeona · 03/06/2024 11:06

Apparently women already have enough protection. Try telling that to the women who were left to deal with man in the women's loos in my local M&S the other day. He wouldn't leave until one of them phoned the police. There needs to be an absolutely clear 'no men in women's single-sex spaces' law. Any grey area leaves predatory men space to manouevre.

http://archive.today/1YofY

Did they leave when the police arrived?
In the M&S situation, I can't see any law would have made any difference, it sounds like the bloke left when the police arrived.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 03/06/2024 14:34

Unfortunately politics is always dirty and keeping one's powder dry is sensible in the run up to an election.

Not helpful to the debate nor indicative of good character though but they're playing to win, not to get a badge for being the nice guys.

Unfortunately it's what our political system rewards.

Crouton19 · 03/06/2024 14:23

Fuming at Sunak for saving this up his sleeve for election points instead of getting on with it 6 months ago. Now women's rights are being weaponised in a dirty campaign. I am so sick of them.

ResisterRex · 03/06/2024 14:14

ResisterRex · 03/06/2024 12:05

Point of detail: Kemi/Sunak say their plan includes making this a reserved matter. As in: Scotland could NOT attempt this by the back door again. It would be firmly shut.

This is an important point of detail IMO. We have to assume they're against all of it because they are wedded to self-ID as Dodds' policy position tells us.

But that is a key element that they probably loathe as it would mean no future UK government could meekly stand back and go "oh but it wasn't our decision" <slopes shoulders>

Swinney angry about this part of the Tories' idea

x.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1797603787567407454?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Bodeganights · 03/06/2024 14:04

LizzieSiddal · 03/06/2024 12:06

And the Tory’s have let what you’ve said, go on for years! They could have clarified this Act ages ago. They’ve decided to use it as a wedge issue at the election and it’s massively backfired. The minister this morning was so poor in all of her interviews, the public will be left more confused than before.

Yet here we are with Tories saying they'll do something, labour saying nothing needs doing.

Who to vote for , hmmmmm

Abeona · 03/06/2024 12:59

Chersfrozenface · 03/06/2024 12:29

...women have to phone the police to get creepy men to vacate the women's loos,..

Provided they're not arrested by those very police for telling a man to leave the women's toilet and refusing to apologise to the man when the police said they had to. Cardiff, October 2022

Fortunately for them, the man left when the police call handler answered. M&S staff thanked the women involved and said they weren't empowered to intervene because of company policy. Whether that is true or not, they clearly didn't feel that they could turf him out.

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