Labour won't back Tory pledge to protect single-sex spaces

All spaces should be safe. A very obvious subset of spaces should be single sex.

As if they had your vote if changing the EqA made you switch to Labour’s gender nonsense

They are far more aligned to TRAs

The Tories are doing to lose. They know this . At this point, if they really gave a shit about women's rights -(which they gave failed to prove whilst in power for 14 long years) they would had smashed it this morning. instead they had Kemi warble on in some incoherent manner failing to come up with a coherent plan. It was embarrassing to listen to.
They have lost my vote.

I don’t get the ‘cynical’ line tbh

Women push on something. Some politicians hear it others say no one is talking about it

I do think the timing from the government is cynical, and I thought the same when the Telegraph (if I remember correctly?) flagged up the possibility a few months ago. I can't see it winning them many new votes.

But the speed and the disdain with which Labour have dismissed this - not even waiting for a statement from their own Shadow Minister for Women - is dismaying for those of us still holding out for their manifesto before deciding whether we dare trust them.

I will still wait for the manifesto, but increasingly I'm reminded of my 22 year-old self, knowing I was involved with an arsehole but waiting for him to dump me because I didn't have the nerve.

No it's not the main issue. But it is an issue that cuts across multiple sectors education, adult social care, prisons, health. As I said, I think approaching this through clarification of the Equality Act with an amendment to specify sex means biological sex isn't a massive ask. It concerns me that the LP can't even do that.

It also bothers me that so many senior male politicians and commentators are so dismissive of this. That's very revealing & tends to reflect my experience of male political figures within the party

So you want it to happen?

And will give mandate to the party who have stated they won’t change the EqA, the opposite to that

Have you checked out what Labour propose on this? Dr led diagnosis, GP could be an option

GP GRC is pretty much Self ID

Does that sound good to you?

I can say what TRAs hope happen

This ‘nothing will change they’re all the same’ is so disappointing. I mean there’s no money left. Whose fault is that ? Okay, I’ll give the tories a 3rd chance to sort things out. It’s so laughable.

I don't believe the Conservatives will do it. They lie and lie and lie.

@BackToLurk in 30 years of nursing I’ve never nursed a trans patient. Don’t agree with trans women being in the next bed to a biological woman but sorry this is not the main issue affecting the NHS.

Do you wanted it sorted out?

Labour have already responded. No change on this. So that’s the mandate you’ll give them.

You don't seem to have bothered to read the article. It concerns NHS Wales, health is devolved, and Labour has always been in government in Wales. The dire straits of the health services in Wales are 100% due to a Labour government who have been in power since devolution!

The truth that our Welsh Labour run NHS consistently scores below the evil Tory run English NHS on all targets. The Welsh government had millions to spare to lower the speed limit to 20mph (and to move it back to 30mph in all the places where, as predicted, it caused delays and extra pollution), but didn't prioritise finding the money to set up a few more care homes, so that hospitals could discharge all the poor buggers who are not well enough to look after themselves, but no longer need round the clock medical supervision.

Wasn't it the Labour government under Blair who brought in all those PFI contracts that are still draining the resources of our health boards, and lining the pockets of Labour cronies in the private sector?

So don't try and kid us that anything will change when Labour get into power. They have no intention of getting rid of the despicable 2 child benefit limit, or protecting the disabled from the cruelties of the DWP benefit denial factories. All they are going to do is make it so that disabled old women like myself who request same sex intimate care get massive blokes in wigs turning up demanding I let them wash my nether regions, because it validates their identity. Fuck that!

Or Tory. Useless fuckers. I'm so angry they haven't sorted this out over 14 years. They don't get a fourth chance.

Oh do one with your tedious whinging about 'checking genitals'.

Yep

Which is why I can't vote labour 🤷‍♀️

Oh do one with your tedious whinging about 'checking genitals'.

We managed to have women only facilities for decades without genitals being checked.

I don't get the whataboutery of arguing that because other things also need attention we shouldnt care about women's rights?

Are these posters also on other forums haranguing men who are considering holding their nose and voting Tory?

Or just here to scold women?

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"All Lives Matter"

Labour is going to have to be publicly answerable to their claim that biological sex is already protected in the law - when the inevitable cases start to come through. They are just making everything more painful that it need be for themselves.

And nurses were also up in arms about being compelled to share changing facilities with a male. Those nurses voices count too. And the severely disabled women that can't be certain what a 'same-sex' carer means in practice, a carer who will be providing intimate care, those women count. If they are wealthy they can buy far more autonomy.

That is what single sex spaces are for women. 'Third' spaces are what is required for those that don't 'identify' with their sex.

No. They are fucking awful. Which is why I advocate for fixing male violence in prison rather than placing males in women's prisons. There are many categories of vulnerable male prisoner, not just ones with a trans identity. The whole system needs overhauling.

There is one line on prisons on Labour's website. in relation to building prisons, but it's only 2 years since they were talking about halting the prison building programme. We'll see if they come out with more, but frankly I'm not sure any political party gives a flying fuck about prisons.

I'd like to see Labour committing to the clarification that sex in the Equality Act means biological sex. I don't think that's a massive ask. If they can't do that, I'm unconvinced about how much they care about women tbh.

Don't be ridiculous!

Different types of issue can be important at the same time.

Plus, you're going to be very disappointed when Labour is unable to transform everything in the way you are hoping they will.

Yes it is!

It further embeds the concept of 'gender identity'; muddles the difference between sex and gender; and will further create a climate in which same sex attracted children or those on the autistic spectrum will be led to believe they are " in the wrong body".

Labour is able to secure women's rights and do the above.
But they don't want to