Labour won't back Tory pledge to protect single-sex spaces

Why what?
Why does it kick the can down the road, why does society need to figure out how to handle people who don't identify as their birth sex or why would rebuilding every changing room cost a lot and take time?

Exactly

Fuckers

Why? Everyone is entitled to feel safe. I have only ever been attacked by a female. So your solution wouldnt have helped me

Because they are arrogant and dismissive of our concerns. I am 100% not surprised at all and am constantly amazed that anyone expected anything better from them.

All those posters like AdamRyan constantly telling us how great the LP is for women and that Starmer has it all sussed? Laughable. The LP do not give a flying fuck about women.

'Parroting'

Oh I know, they've clearly calculated that they don't need to listen in order to win next month. But five years can be a long time in government, you need all your supporters fully onside, and today Labour had a great opportunity to reach out to women who want to vote for them but who are worried about their sex based rights.

Not only have they have totally fluffed the opportunity, they don't even seem to have noticed. It's like missing an open goal and then running round the pitch with your shirt over your head.

I won’t enjoy it, I absolutely hate GI. I’m just being realistic.

Enjoy their gender ideology mandate

What's not happening?

I think you’re being very optimistic. The latest poll has Labour on a majority of 194 seats! Labour don’t have to listen to anyone.

Exactly. At least the Tories have included it now. Labour won't.

You’re parroting that line

Which is one way to deflect from the impact of gender ideology on women and children

Well yes. Same here. But I’m not somebody parroting that the tories know what a woman is.

This just kicks the can down the road. Society needs to figure out how to handle people who don't identify as their actual sex. Rebuilding every changing room in the country would take huge amounts of time and money, and does nothing to address all the other situations where these clashes of rights occur -- sports, toilets, prisons, hospital wards etc.

Surely individual changing rooms are the way forward. Safe spaces for everyone

Just imagine if Labour had responded today with something along the lines of: 'We take this issue very seriously and fully understand women's concerns. We would like to reassure women that we totally support their right to single sex spaces based on biological sex. Our disagreement with the current government is purely about the best way to achieve this. Our manifesto will explain further.'

I haven’t seen anyone from Labour talking about making it easier for disabled people to access disability benefits, or providing better funded benefits for those that need them in general. Or make it easier to work out what they might be entitled to. Shame on them.

'frothing'

Someone in the Times comments last week said that she had complained to a M&S assistant about the state of the mirror in a changing room - it bore "evidence" of a man having been "enjoying himself" in there, presumably listening to conversations in the next cubicle. The assistant said " Oh no, not AGAIN" and apologised. Utterly revolting and objectionable.

M&S and John Lewis allow men into formerly women's changing rooms, according to "where they feel most comfortable". Stuff any women who feel threatened. This policy puts a burden not just on customers, who can walk out if they wish, but mainly on staff who have to deal with dodgy and possibly aggressive men, as well as angry women.

Complain to M&S management, folks!

Whether or not you think they care is irrelevant. The issue is a live one and one that is not going to go away. In fact, it will just intensify as the years pass.

It doesn't have to be the main issue. It is an issue though.

Everyone will have their own criteria for what constitutes "the main issue" in the NHS anyway. for some it will be nurses and doctors pay; for some it will be lack of care in the community meaning bed blocking by elderly patients; for some it will be the crisis of obesity that is fueling ill health; for others it will be waiting lists for operations........and so on.

No it's not the main issue, but it is still an issue.

I nurse inpatient and community mental health and I have experienced this issue. My trust is unreceptive and unsupportive of concerns reported by nursing staff.

I wouldn't have described it as cynical if we'd seen them trying to get it through Parliament and failing. To see them not even trying to legislate (I accept I don't know what's happened behind the scenes) and then holding it out as a reward for voting them in again, and even - cos I assume it was planned - floating the idea in the press beforehand - that's what I call cynical.

But I do appreciate the Tory party making it a talking point. And I do think Labour might one day come to rue not only the speed but also the glee with which they've batted it away.