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Baby reindeer anti woman pro trans slant

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NZadultwoman · 02/06/2024 12:02

Watched the series this weekend and like with so many things happening today I'm struck by what I can't unseen. When you really see the narrative, you see it everywhere! Anyone else notice how the trans woman was painted "innocent" and that the "Martha" character was "guilty". And inferred that the trans woman was more of a woman than the actual woman? In fact, the writer may as well have called her Karen! I tried to confirm whether or not the plot was in line with the "true story". All I could find out was that the writer combined many different experiences to construct the plot. I wouldn't be surprised if the writer capitalized on the popularity of the pro trans anti woman element to help popularize he story. I have to admit I liked the show anyway. And I appreciate it as a reflection of our society. It's a useful looking glass me thinks

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popebishop · 02/06/2024 14:52

Anyone else notice how the trans woman was painted "innocent" and that the "Martha" character was "guilty".

Innocent of what? It's a work of fiction despite what it says. I thought it was fairly sympathetic to Teri being dicked about by the main guy and how his insecurities and choices affected Teri.

I agree there has been more speculation and discussion of Martha's actions and identity than the rapist.

Runskiyoga · 02/06/2024 14:49

I liked the character and portrayal of Teri. The show and it's evolving aftermath is a very flawed but very interesting piece of art in my opinion and seems like Gadd continuing the behavior (harmful to self and others) that he is so achingly open about in the show.

WindowsSmindows · 02/06/2024 14:46

His character used that old trans lie on his parents: you can have a dead son or an alive son who is gay

DreadPirateRobots · 02/06/2024 14:42

Betweenthe2 · 02/06/2024 14:37

I find it quite odd that Martha seems to have been been villainised more than the man who raped him.

Not by Gadd. Literally the bulk of the show is about his inability to stop empathising with Martha and seeing her brokenness in himself. Whereas there is no doubt that his rapist is a straight predator.

Anyone else notice how the trans woman was painted "innocent" and that the "Martha" character was "guilty".
🤔Teri is innocent. She's a bystander. Also she didn't stalk or assault anyone. Was Donny's mum "painted innocent"?

Betweenthe2 · 02/06/2024 14:37

I find it quite odd that Martha seems to have been been villainised more than the man who raped him.

achipandachair · 02/06/2024 14:35

I think it's also important that he made the Martha character fat. So you have a middle aged fat woman as the crazy violent villain. not exactly busting current stereotypes there mate

NitroNine · 02/06/2024 14:32

I’ve not watched it but it does seem from what I’ve read that he very much threw her under the bus while protecting the identity of the man who sexually assaulted him. I also read about him behaving in a frankly predatory & inappropriate way towards the TW who unsuccessfully auditioned for the show. I think I read somewhere he has been diagnosed with a [Cluster B] personality disorder. Clearly that shouldn’t preclude his working in film & TV; but it should absolutely mean any claims he makes about things being “autobiographical” need checking even more rigorously than would otherwise be the case. (Not all people with a Cluster B Dx, etc).

Betweenthe2 · 02/06/2024 13:33

Interestingly he lied in a lot of interviews about going to great lengths to hide Martha's real identity

I think he wanted people to be able to track her down. The show used her public social media comments.

Betweenthe2 · 02/06/2024 13:31

Anyone else notice how the trans woman was painted "innocent" and that the "Martha" character was "guilty

Are you against transwomen being portrayed in a positive light on TV? I feel like the transwoman character was there to convey the impact of the stalking on Gadds personal relationships rather than anything else.

And inferred that the trans woman was more of a woman than the actual woman?
I didn't get this from it. Can you explain further where you felt this was implied?

TWETMIRF · 02/06/2024 12:36

They could have cast the GameStop Ma'am

heathspeedwell · 02/06/2024 12:27

Gadd has since said in interviews that the Martha character never met the transwoman and was never actually violent. He's obviously very media savvy and knew that Netflix would love a storyline where a big bad woman beats up a poor little transwoman.

Interestingly he lied in a lot of interviews about going to great lengths to hide Martha's real identity. Of course we now know that about the only thing he did was make the Martha character much bigger and more 'scary'.

Gadd was also investigated by Netflix for implying to at least one other transwoman that he was pursuing that he could make them famous and get them a part on his show. The transwoman made a formal complaint about him. Netflix said he wasn't actually guilty of nepotism because he wasn't responsible for casting decisions, but it's a pretty reprehensible thing to do, particularly when he blames so much of his poor decision making on the premise that he was a victim of an older man who sexually exploited his desire for fame.

Netflix of course went to great lengths to chose a transwoman who is incredibly petite and has spent a fortune on plastic surgery. It's almost as if the whole thing was propaganda.