The arts are still captured - Denise Fahmy

It's now in session

x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1816093080119849092?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Thats interesting. I'm not sure they have a leg to stand on.
If I openly signed a petition going round my workplace that described colleagues as a cancer, I'm pretty sure I'd get into deep trouble.
Even those colleagues were utterly awful and doing awful things, I think they'd have a genuine grievance against me if I did that instead of raising concerns via the proper channels and HR.
Dismissals are supposed to be handled according to employment law, not by popular vote. It's not Big Brother.

There's a Museum of Transology? 🙄I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

I've updated the original thread with a link to this one.

Yes, what exactly counts as harassment and victimisation and what is just airing views?

I followed TTweets on the original case and the petition described GC staff as a ‘cancer’ in the organisation. Which seems particularly unpleasant. I’d have thought a disciplinary totally appropriate personally. But we’ll see. Tribunal on hold until 2pm.

@PowerTulle this is an interesting point: 'IIRC that petition was created and distributed around staff to get GC people sacked from the Arts Council. So will be interesting to see if they are successful in a counter claim.'

Given the judge's comments in the Allison Bailey v Stonewall appeal just today this could be argued to be a protest rather than causing someone to be sacked?

That’s the one, thanks Eresh

I’m interested from an employment point of view, whether TRA can argue they are free to lobby for GC staff to be ejected from a place of work. And whether an employer will be in hot water legally if they discipline a person for expressing strong anti GC views.

I’ll keep an eye on TwiX and update.

Thread linked for you below if you want to update it, but maybe good to have a separate one as well.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4770590-denise-fahmy-taking-arts-council-england-to-an-employment-tribunal-because-she-has-been-harassed-for-being-gender-critical

Oh, interesting.

Was going to attach this to the original thread about Denise Fahmy and the tribunal finding against Arts Council England, but can’t find it.

According to Tribunal Tweets, theres another tribunal starting today, involving another member of staff and the Arts Council. This TRA is claiming victimisation because they were disciplined for signing the petition against Denise and all other Gender Critical staff at the Arts Council. This petition was a key piece of evidence in Denise’s case.

IIRC that petition was created and distributed around staff to get GC people sacked from the Arts Council. So will be interesting to see if they are successful in a counter claim.

I wonder if Creative Scotland would have given so much money to a Rein in which every other detail was the same but the premise wasn't 'queer'. Actually I don't wonder I know they wouldn't have. Munro said as much in his testimony in his recent appearance before a ScotGov panel. He as good as called the 'queer community' boundaryless fetishists. He explicitly compared them as such as opposed to the wider community. He's not come to this conclusion alone. He's symptomatic of a culture who believe normal rules of dignity, decency and safeguarding don't apply to people who are labelled 'queer'. No matter what the wider community, which despite what he believes includes everyone, thinks of it. He and his ilk are laying down a welcome mat and banging a drum for every deviant prepared to make a modicum of effort to join the glitter family.

It's odd that on the one hand sensitivity readers are censoring the mildest words in new and classic texts while the other hand is writing massive cheques for 'genital contact', which apparently isn't sex. Though I shouldn't be surprised that a big chunk of the art world no longer knows what sex is.

'..gender ideology in which anyone can “identify” as anything and institutions bend over backwards to satisfy the 0.5 per cent of the population who report they don’t identify with the sex they were born.'
That sums it up brilliantly! Great article.