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Ask your general election candidates what a woman is: results

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generalelectionfish · 01/06/2024 09:58

I have decided to ask all major parties in my constituency how they define a woman, particularly with regard to women in sport and prisons.

My constituency (currently, subject to borders changing) is Aylesbury Vale.

Conservative: Rob Butler - no reply. This doesn't surprise me because he's a useless tosser who only ever turns up to stuff being opened and has never answered a single email I have sent.

Labour: Laura Kyrke-Smith - replied! She says, "I define a woman as someone who has female sex at birth or defines herself as a woman.
This piece by Annelise Dodds is a good summary of where Labour stands on trans rights more broadly."

Weasel words in my opinion, but useful to know where she stands. We are a (ugh) Tory safe seat here, but if anyone can challenge it, it would only be Labour.

Anyone else have any assurances or otherwise from their local candidates - and where are you (if you are happy saying)?

Labour will lead on reform of transgender rights – and we won’t take lectures from the Tories | Anneliese Dodds

We will modernise, simplify and reform gender recognition law. Our policies won’t please everyone but we will do what’s right

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

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YellowHairband · 01/06/2024 12:59

One of my candidates is Helen Belcher so I think the question may be slightly moot there.

Datun · 01/06/2024 12:46

I define a woman as someone who has female sex at birth or defines herself as a woman

It's an either/or?

So a transman, being someone who has female sex at birth, would be a woman, according to her.

So transphobic!

SoEmbarrassed2024 · 01/06/2024 12:38

I define a woman as someone who has female sex at birth or defines herself as a woman

So anyone

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/06/2024 12:23

That's because she's given this issue all of 5 seconds consideration before deferring to the superior wisdom (lol) of Anneliese Dodds.

Grammarnut · 01/06/2024 11:40

TWETMIRF · 01/06/2024 10:08

So is someone who has a female sex at birth and defines herself as a man classed as a woman according to Laura? After all, that does fit one of her criteria

She did not think that through. Her definition seems to mean that she accepts people as female who were identified such at birth, and those who identify as a woman. But if you are female at birth by her definition you are a woman, so that means a transman is a woman. And vice versa. A person identified as male at birth who identifies as a woman is, under this criteria, a man. Which is true.

Lovelyview · 01/06/2024 11:29

Ask her if that means the rapist Isla Bryson is a woman. (He's not)

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generalelectionfish · 01/06/2024 10:10

TWETMIRF · 01/06/2024 10:08

So is someone who has a female sex at birth and defines herself as a man classed as a woman according to Laura? After all, that does fit one of her criteria

Ha! Good point! She would accuse me of petty semantics (maybe not to my face) if I suggested that though.

But the muddled thinking is absolutely there. Her answer is basically "anyone who says they are", and she totally dodged the question about sports/prisons.

Though, to be fair to her, at least she replied.

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TWETMIRF · 01/06/2024 10:08

So is someone who has a female sex at birth and defines herself as a man classed as a woman according to Laura? After all, that does fit one of her criteria

Mermoose · 01/06/2024 10:04

"someone who has female sex at birth or defines herself as a woman." What a muddled phrase. One of the things that continually amazes me about gender identity ideology is the complete lack of thought given to it by its proponents. People too lazy to listen carefully to their own words.